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Ridiculous, check out how the Chinese artworks is being treated in some western museums. They don't know how to protect the artworks since cultural ignorance(th

Ridiculous, check out how the Chinese artworks is being treated in some western museums. They don't know how to protect the artworks since cultural ignorance(the material needs to be treated specially), some of the artworks are fking cut into pieces.

ABCLAW 8y ago
They knew how the materials worked, and we've pieced together how and why the various steps taken in the aim of conservation were taken. Here's a 2014 paper on the history of the scroll, including a fairly detailed section on the conservation & restoration efforts since the piece arrived at the British Museum. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/291523444/download https://www.researchgate.net/publication/291523444/download
- rustacean 8y ago
  so then argue this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admonitions_Scroll https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admonitions_Scroll if the thieves know that, how did they dismantle this Chinese painting and remount it with the Japanese painting mounting method?
  - ABCLAW 8y ago
    Because the wooden backing of the Japanese method was used across the board for conservation of most asian silk scrolls because it lends itself very well to conservation and preservation of the piece while also allowing display in museums. The trade off between this method and keeping the scroll in unmounted silk form was between having a more stable backing for the scroll itself to aid in preservation at the cost of removing the scroll's ability to be bent. The concern for this scroll specifically was that this scroll was unevenly decayed, had numerous repairs in the past and constant continuing repairs would be needed to mitigate wear and tear - frayed silk ends were already an issue. The standard method of dealing with this issue is remounting, and evidence indicated this scroll had been remounted numerous times in it's history. The museum decided to affix the scroll and apply a form of sealant, after remounting the edge silk sections (which they literally brought experts over from asia to do). This was done to remove the need to repaint and splice sections in (which was the traditional method of maintaining the piece, but which obviously changes it over time) and mitigate future damage to the piece. TLDR: just read the link I posted.
i_am_nomad 8y ago
Can you give a specific example of this?
- rustacean 8y ago
  Admonitions Scroll was cut by the British Museum, then someone said the European thieves protected the artworks by stealing. LOL
  - sgift 8y ago
    Where did you get the idea that the museum cut it? All information I could find points to the first scenes being lost at a far earlier date.
    - rustacean 8y ago
      [1]In 1914–1915 the scroll was dismantled, and remounted on two long stretchers, one containing the nine scenes of the original painting, and one containing all the other sections, except for the Zou Yigui painting, which was mounted separately as an album leaf. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admonitions_Scroll https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admonitions_Scroll
  - i_am_nomad 8y ago
    Even if that were the case, I’d argue that it has fared much better in London than it would have in China - most likely it would have been “harmonized” in the 1960s.
    - rustacean 8y ago
      so the thieves just argue with "if.., would" and ignore the facts? lol
justicezyx 8y ago
This needs to be upvoted!

ABCLAW 8y ago

They knew how the materials worked, and we've pieced together how and why the various steps taken in the aim of conservation were taken. Here's a 2014 paper on the history of the scroll, including a fairly detailed section on the conservation & restoration efforts since the piece arrived at the British Museum. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/291523444/download https://www.researchgate.net/publication/291523444/download

rustacean 8y ago
so then argue this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admonitions_Scroll https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admonitions_Scroll if the thieves know that, how did they dismantle this Chinese painting and remount it with the Japanese painting mounting method?
- ABCLAW 8y ago
  Because the wooden backing of the Japanese method was used across the board for conservation of most asian silk scrolls because it lends itself very well to conservation and preservation of the piece while also allowing display in museums. The trade off between this method and keeping the scroll in unmounted silk form was between having a more stable backing for the scroll itself to aid in preservation at the cost of removing the scroll's ability to be bent. The concern for this scroll specifically was that this scroll was unevenly decayed, had numerous repairs in the past and constant continuing repairs would be needed to mitigate wear and tear - frayed silk ends were already an issue. The standard method of dealing with this issue is remounting, and evidence indicated this scroll had been remounted numerous times in it's history. The museum decided to affix the scroll and apply a form of sealant, after remounting the edge silk sections (which they literally brought experts over from asia to do). This was done to remove the need to repaint and splice sections in (which was the traditional method of maintaining the piece, but which obviously changes it over time) and mitigate future damage to the piece. TLDR: just read the link I posted.

i_am_nomad 8y ago

Can you give a specific example of this?

rustacean 8y ago
Admonitions Scroll was cut by the British Museum, then someone said the European thieves protected the artworks by stealing. LOL
- sgift 8y ago
  Where did you get the idea that the museum cut it? All information I could find points to the first scenes being lost at a far earlier date.
  - rustacean 8y ago
    [1]In 1914–1915 the scroll was dismantled, and remounted on two long stretchers, one containing the nine scenes of the original painting, and one containing all the other sections, except for the Zou Yigui painting, which was mounted separately as an album leaf. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admonitions_Scroll https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admonitions_Scroll
- i_am_nomad 8y ago
  Even if that were the case, I’d argue that it has fared much better in London than it would have in China - most likely it would have been “harmonized” in the 1960s.
  - rustacean 8y ago
    so the thieves just argue with "if.., would" and ignore the facts? lol

justicezyx 8y ago

This needs to be upvoted!