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During last couple of hundred years Europeans colonized good portion of Asian countries and lot of history and art of taken back to Europe. Now lot of European
by akshayB 8y ago
During last couple of hundred years Europeans colonized good portion of Asian countries and lot of history and art of taken back to Europe. Now lot of European countries hold these things in museums. It is a source of income for these countries and also attracts tourism ecosystems, so they are never going to give it back to countries it came from.
Also I sometimes find it ironic some of these museums in European hold very little local history, instead they hoard history of other countries they ruled in past.
- i_am_nomad 8y agoWhy would that be ironic? Some museums are for foreign antiquities, some of them are for native/aboriginal artifacts and history. A city can have more than one museum.
- vertline3 8y agoA lot of the lack of old art in china is due to the "destruction of the four olds."
- justicezyx 8y agoWhat's the point? Does that legalize the current status quo that what are inside the non Chinese museums have all their rights and good will to keep what their ancestors robbed from China?! Please speak you thoughts clearly.
- vertline3 8y agoI'm saying it would have likely been destroyed, just as early Christianity destroyed Roman statues. Just as Arabs preserved Roman texts.
- rustacean 8y agoRidiculous, check out how the Chinese artworks is being treated in some western museums. They don't know how to protect the artworks since cultural ignorance(the material needs to be treated specially), some of the artworks are fking cut into pieces.
- ABCLAW 8y agoThey knew how the materials worked, and we've pieced together how and why the various steps taken in the aim of conservation were taken. Here's a 2014 paper on the history of the scroll, including a fairly detailed section on the conservation & restoration efforts since the piece arrived at the British Museum. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/291523444/download https://www.researchgate.net/publication/291523444/download
- rustacean 8y agoso then argue this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admonitions_Scroll https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admonitions_Scroll if the thieves know that, how did they dismantle this Chinese painting and remount it with the Japanese painting mounting method?
- ABCLAW 8y agoBecause the wooden backing of the Japanese method was used across the board for conservation of most asian silk scrolls because it lends itself very well to conservation and preservation of the piece while also allowing display in museums. The trade off between this method and keeping the scroll in unmounted silk form was between having a more stable backing for the scroll itself to aid in preservation at the cost of removing the scroll's ability to be bent. The concern for this scroll specifically was that this scroll was unevenly decayed, had numerous repairs in the past and constant continuing repairs would be needed to mitigate wear and tear - frayed silk ends were already an issue. The standard method of dealing with this issue is remounting, and evidence indicated this scroll had been remounted numerous times in it's history. The museum decided to affix the scroll and apply a form of sealant, after remounting the edge silk sections (which they literally brought experts over from asia to do). This was done to remove the need to repaint and splice sections in (which was the traditional method of maintaining the piece, but which obviously changes it over time) and mitigate future damage to the piece. TLDR: just read the link I posted.
- i_am_nomad 8y agoCan you give a specific example of this?
- i_am_nomad 8y agoThe Western museums preserved Chinese artifacts that otherwise would have been destroyed by the Chinese themselves. That fact does indeed legitimize the status quo. The artifacts must and will remain, excluding those pilfered by the criminals described in the article.
- justicezyx 8y ago> That fact does indeed legitimize the status quo. So how about let western white people own everything, and kill all non white people, as non white are not doing a good job of protecting their own stuff. This is what you called "legitimize". This is not only utterly racism, it's also plain stupid. If there were no opioid war, the artifacts would have been protected very well. Get your logic straight first.
- i_am_nomad 8y agoI'm sorry to say, this type of outburst really has no place in a civilized discussion.
- qiqing 8y agoI'm just going to leave this right here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_policing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_policing The commenter was angry, but I understand his anger. I can see how even the slightest hint of it in sharing my personal experiences can trigger negative responses from other people, but it also helps for you and others to be sensitive to the trauma that many others (and our families) have lived through.
- lainga 8y agoWhat's your argument here? If there were no Opium Wars, there would have been no Nine-Power Treaties, and thus the Qing would not have fallen, and thus Mao and the CPC would not have eventually gained control over China, and thus the Cultural Revolution and the Four-Olds Campaign would not have happened?
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- sct202 8y agoAlso most of the best pieces of Imperial Collection were shipped to Taiwan during the evacuation of the Nationalists.