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OSX capturing and buffering the password input on the login overlay is definitely nice, compared to windows 10 dropping inputs until it is ‘ready’ for the last

OSX capturing and buffering the password input on the login overlay is definitely nice, compared to windows 10 dropping inputs until it is ‘ready’ for the last 2 characters of my password.

exikyut 8y ago
Thanks to PAM on Linux, "<hostname> login: " is printed by an entirely different set of processes than the "Password: " that follows it. At least in Windows you aren't at a TTY that echos everything to the screen by default until PAM has hauled itself (and its umpteen libraries) off the disk (yes people still have 5400RPM HDDs :D), initialized, and put the terminal into no-echo mode...
- johnchristopher 8y ago
  > Thanks to PAM on Linux, "<hostname> login: " is printed by an entirely different set of processes than the "Password: " that follows it. Ah! So that's what's going on :D.
  - exikyut 8y ago
    On FreeBSD, at least, you can tinker with the sshd to switch between PAM, to get "Password: " and some other sshd-internal mechanism, which prints "<whatever login you just typed>'s password: " instead. Kind of cute. And you can always run strace -f on whatever handles login (getty, logind, systemd, etc), drop to a TTY and login, to see all the stuff that gets loaded.
- arendtio 8y ago
  I wonder why so many are talking about SSD vs. HDD in this discussion. From my experience on Linux it doesn't really matter if you have enough RAM. Yes, booting from a SSD is faster, but once everything is loaded the system mostly works on top of the RAM (waiting for FS sync is rare). I don't know much about the situation on Windows but at least on linux your HDD is hardly going to cause lags if you have a well configured hardware setup.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
    > Yes, booting from a SSD is faster Laptop users are many, and they care about boot up times. Especially since Linux power management is still awful.
    - polkadotted 8y ago
      This is a blatant lie that needs to stop. I've been using linux exclusively on laptops for more than 10 years. The first 5 with the HP EliteBook like, currently with Lenovo X1 line. On my current X1 Yoga 1st gen, I do regularly get almost 1.5x the uptime on battery compared to windows 10. We got a batch of X1 Carbon 6th gen, which are "optimized for windows 10", where the S3 sleep state was replaced by the S0I3, which is OS-assisted. The X1 Yoga with S3 can both suspend and resume faster than windows 10, despite not having S0I3 (and has longer battery lifetime to booth). And by fast I mean that by the time the lid is up, the OS is ready. By contrast, windows 10 seems to always shuffle for several seconds after resume, even on the carbon 6th gen. So please...
      - AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
        Today on Linux Evangelism 101: using a single anecdotal experience as proof that something works right always.
        polkadotted 8y ago
        Sure, however I really like to see what downvoters have to say. The "power management is bad" is pretty generic, isn't it? High-end laptop lines (Dell, HP, Lenovo) have actually pretty good linux support, they are almost always intel i5+ cpus with integrated graphics which are all very similar. There is next to zero setup required in almost any case. This is known. The drivers are tried and tested. I've never experienced any random "power management issue". Suspend/resume/battery consumption/acpi is working perfectly fine. What else does qualify for "power managment"?? I've been supporting a team of 20+ people with these lines in a mixed environment, and linux since more than a decade was always basically plug and play. There have been some quirks in some models, which generally required some tweaks in the kernel boot line, to fix issues with backlight tweaking.
tomaskafka 8y ago
Really? It works for someone like this? Damn you Apple, not for me :(. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17786400 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17786400
- cordite 8y ago
  That's only if it doesn't come from suspended sleep. If it has to actually pseudo boot, it drops.

OSX capturing and buffering the password input on the login overlay is definitely nice, compared to windows 10 dropping inputs until it is ‘ready’ for the last 2 characters of my password.

exikyut 8y ago

Thanks to PAM on Linux, "<hostname> login: " is printed by an entirely different set of processes than the "Password: " that follows it. At least in Windows you aren't at a TTY that echos everything to the screen by default until PAM has hauled itself (and its umpteen libraries) off the disk (yes people still have 5400RPM HDDs :D), initialized, and put the terminal into no-echo mode...

johnchristopher 8y ago
> Thanks to PAM on Linux, "<hostname> login: " is printed by an entirely different set of processes than the "Password: " that follows it. Ah! So that's what's going on :D.
- exikyut 8y ago
  On FreeBSD, at least, you can tinker with the sshd to switch between PAM, to get "Password: " and some other sshd-internal mechanism, which prints "<whatever login you just typed>'s password: " instead. Kind of cute. And you can always run strace -f on whatever handles login (getty, logind, systemd, etc), drop to a TTY and login, to see all the stuff that gets loaded.
arendtio 8y ago
I wonder why so many are talking about SSD vs. HDD in this discussion. From my experience on Linux it doesn't really matter if you have enough RAM. Yes, booting from a SSD is faster, but once everything is loaded the system mostly works on top of the RAM (waiting for FS sync is rare). I don't know much about the situation on Windows but at least on linux your HDD is hardly going to cause lags if you have a well configured hardware setup.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
  > Yes, booting from a SSD is faster Laptop users are many, and they care about boot up times. Especially since Linux power management is still awful.
  - polkadotted 8y ago
    This is a blatant lie that needs to stop. I've been using linux exclusively on laptops for more than 10 years. The first 5 with the HP EliteBook like, currently with Lenovo X1 line. On my current X1 Yoga 1st gen, I do regularly get almost 1.5x the uptime on battery compared to windows 10. We got a batch of X1 Carbon 6th gen, which are "optimized for windows 10", where the S3 sleep state was replaced by the S0I3, which is OS-assisted. The X1 Yoga with S3 can both suspend and resume faster than windows 10, despite not having S0I3 (and has longer battery lifetime to booth). And by fast I mean that by the time the lid is up, the OS is ready. By contrast, windows 10 seems to always shuffle for several seconds after resume, even on the carbon 6th gen. So please...
    - AnIdiotOnTheNet 8y ago
      Today on Linux Evangelism 101: using a single anecdotal experience as proof that something works right always.
      - polkadotted 8y ago
        Sure, however I really like to see what downvoters have to say. The "power management is bad" is pretty generic, isn't it? High-end laptop lines (Dell, HP, Lenovo) have actually pretty good linux support, they are almost always intel i5+ cpus with integrated graphics which are all very similar. There is next to zero setup required in almost any case. This is known. The drivers are tried and tested. I've never experienced any random "power management issue". Suspend/resume/battery consumption/acpi is working perfectly fine. What else does qualify for "power managment"?? I've been supporting a team of 20+ people with these lines in a mixed environment, and linux since more than a decade was always basically plug and play. There have been some quirks in some models, which generally required some tweaks in the kernel boot line, to fix issues with backlight tweaking.

tomaskafka 8y ago

Really? It works for someone like this? Damn you Apple, not for me :(. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17786400 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17786400

cordite 8y ago
That's only if it doesn't come from suspended sleep. If it has to actually pseudo boot, it drops.