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This is the type thing that makes me support President Trump. The Chinese have very unfair business practices and they require a strong President to deal with t

This is the type thing that makes me support President Trump. The Chinese have very unfair business practices and they require a strong President to deal with them.

natch 8y ago
The leap to the suggestion that Trump is a strong president is where you lost me. Otherwise I agree with you that the US needs a strong response to China.
- andromedavision 8y ago
  Why'd I lose you? There is a case to be made for Trump being the only US president to stand up to China in any meaningful way. He was able to do what everyone was afraid to do (impose tariffs regardless of any threats from China) and that takes strength. You don't have to like him as a person, but you cannot claim he's not doing a fantastic job.
  - pimmen 8y ago
    In that one area alone I would agree stuff are happening, but he imposed tariffs on the EU citing WTO rules reserved for war too, and the responses has hurt local US businesses. That’s an absolutely terrible job.
    - andromedavision 8y ago
      Haven't followed the EU trade tariffs lately but as I gathered last I checked, this was a temporary thing and he got what he wanted which was better trade terms from the EU to America. I don't see why this was a bad thing; some short term/temporary discomfort for better deals in the long run.
      - pimmen 8y ago
        This is a still ongoing affair, and the trade terms are still not finished. The only thing he’s accomplished is an image of the US as unpredictable and dishonest since they had no legal standing. The EU will remember this the next time the trade agreements are up for renogitation.
        vixen99 8y ago
        The EU up for renogging?
    - bassman9000 8y ago
      I thought the convo was about standing up to China. From a strategic point of view, you can't have two measuring rules (EU/China). If China is being unfair with tariffs, so is the EU.
Spooky23 8y ago
Trump’s rhetoric was intriguing in this area at one point. The actions not so much. As he cracks about “shithole” countries, China is building the infrastructure to exploit their resources. As allies in the Pacific look for leadership to contain China, we’re insulting NATO nations, who are for all intents US military vassal states.
- andromedavision 8y ago
  > China is building the infrastructure to exploit their resources This is even worse. China will eat up the world in a similar way in which they ate up Sri-Lanka's port. Build a ton of infra for the developing world and then once they're unable to pay for it, they camp in your country forcibly. The debt is mounting in most countries where China has 'invested' in infrastructure. For instance in Kenya, each Kenyan is estimated to already owe the Chinese roughly $100 and counting. May not mean much in the west but certainly is a lot of debt out of the total $1000 every Kenyan owes. Even the IMF is freakishly worried about Kenya's debt for crying out loud. The Chinese will use unethical/unfair business practices to earn wealth from the west and then use it to recolonize developing countries while screwing over every other western country. Luckily, GEOTUS Trump will be able to stop this!
  - amaccuish 8y ago
    > This is even worse. China will eat up the world in a similar way in which they ate up Sri-Lanka's port. Build a ton of infra for the developing world and then once they're unable to pay for it, they camp in your country forcibly. The US did exactly the same, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan.
    - andromedavision 8y ago
      And yet I trust America's intentions more than China's. Going by track record alone, China's had a murderous regime that tortured and killed its own people by the millions. Wouldn't want them controlling my country that's for sure.
    - 8y ago

This is the type thing that makes me support President Trump. The Chinese have very unfair business practices and they require a strong President to deal with them.

natch 8y ago

The leap to the suggestion that Trump is a strong president is where you lost me. Otherwise I agree with you that the US needs a strong response to China.

andromedavision 8y ago
Why'd I lose you? There is a case to be made for Trump being the only US president to stand up to China in any meaningful way. He was able to do what everyone was afraid to do (impose tariffs regardless of any threats from China) and that takes strength. You don't have to like him as a person, but you cannot claim he's not doing a fantastic job.
- pimmen 8y ago
  In that one area alone I would agree stuff are happening, but he imposed tariffs on the EU citing WTO rules reserved for war too, and the responses has hurt local US businesses. That’s an absolutely terrible job.
  - andromedavision 8y ago
    Haven't followed the EU trade tariffs lately but as I gathered last I checked, this was a temporary thing and he got what he wanted which was better trade terms from the EU to America. I don't see why this was a bad thing; some short term/temporary discomfort for better deals in the long run.
    - pimmen 8y ago
      This is a still ongoing affair, and the trade terms are still not finished. The only thing he’s accomplished is an image of the US as unpredictable and dishonest since they had no legal standing. The EU will remember this the next time the trade agreements are up for renogitation.
      - vixen99 8y ago
        The EU up for renogging?
  - bassman9000 8y ago
    I thought the convo was about standing up to China. From a strategic point of view, you can't have two measuring rules (EU/China). If China is being unfair with tariffs, so is the EU.

Spooky23 8y ago

Trump’s rhetoric was intriguing in this area at one point. The actions not so much. As he cracks about “shithole” countries, China is building the infrastructure to exploit their resources. As allies in the Pacific look for leadership to contain China, we’re insulting NATO nations, who are for all intents US military vassal states.

andromedavision 8y ago
> China is building the infrastructure to exploit their resources This is even worse. China will eat up the world in a similar way in which they ate up Sri-Lanka's port. Build a ton of infra for the developing world and then once they're unable to pay for it, they camp in your country forcibly. The debt is mounting in most countries where China has 'invested' in infrastructure. For instance in Kenya, each Kenyan is estimated to already owe the Chinese roughly $100 and counting. May not mean much in the west but certainly is a lot of debt out of the total $1000 every Kenyan owes. Even the IMF is freakishly worried about Kenya's debt for crying out loud. The Chinese will use unethical/unfair business practices to earn wealth from the west and then use it to recolonize developing countries while screwing over every other western country. Luckily, GEOTUS Trump will be able to stop this!
- amaccuish 8y ago
  > This is even worse. China will eat up the world in a similar way in which they ate up Sri-Lanka's port. Build a ton of infra for the developing world and then once they're unable to pay for it, they camp in your country forcibly. The US did exactly the same, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan.
  - andromedavision 8y ago
    And yet I trust America's intentions more than China's. Going by track record alone, China's had a murderous regime that tortured and killed its own people by the millions. Wouldn't want them controlling my country that's for sure.
  - 8y ago