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Sure. Those invisible fighter jets that don't work were a great investment. https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a21957/wtf-35/ https://www.popularmechani

by maym86 8y ago

Sure. Those invisible fighter jets that don't work were a great investment. https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a21957/wtf-35/ https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a21957/wtf-35/ The US military is a publicly funded socialist entity. Interesting how that's ok for war but not for education.

tptacek 8y ago
By that definition, isn't every military a socialist entity?
- maym86 8y ago
  Yes
- ceejayoz 8y ago
  That's the point, isn't it? The US right holds the contradictory opinions that socialized government can't accomplish anything effective, and that the US military (which is fundamentally a socialized entity) is amazing and awesome and supremely capable.
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refurb 8y ago
Can something be socialist when a private version could never exist?
- maym86 8y ago
  Yes. That's not what defines it.
dionidium 8y ago
The U.S. military accepts something like 20% of its walk-in recruits. [0] When you imagine education as a "socialized entity," I strongly suspect you're not picturing an institution that rejects 80% of the population (for reasons like, say, being too fat). [0] https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/13/uncle-sam-doesnt-want-you-military-now-turns-down-/ https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/13/uncle-sam-d...
- maym86 8y ago
  I don't think you understand. It's a thing we all pay for. It's a publicly funded service that defends the country. It's not about who gets in, it's about how it's paid for. We all pay together for something that is not explicitly for profit that we believe to be for the good of the country. This is socialism. But also, to your point, colleges would still reject students based on grades. This happens in countries with free college education. Standards are still maintained but it doesn't depend on how much money you have. We would get the best candidates based on merit instead of their parents income.
  - dionidium 8y ago
    On the contrary, I don't think you understand how college admissions work. When you're rejected by the military, there's no second- or third-tier back-up plan. But anybody who wants to go to college can go to college and they can get it paid for, no matter how unproductive or frivolous their major. When Stanford rejects you, you try a state school; when the state school rejects you, you go to one of the state's less prestigious satellite campuses. If they reject you (which is extremely unlikely), you go to community college. Federal aid is available at each strata.
    - maym86 8y ago
      Ok, sounds good, let's increase that federal aid and take the money from the military budget.

by maym86 8y ago

tptacek 8y ago

By that definition, isn't every military a socialist entity?

maym86 8y ago
Yes
ceejayoz 8y ago
That's the point, isn't it? The US right holds the contradictory opinions that socialized government can't accomplish anything effective, and that the US military (which is fundamentally a socialized entity) is amazing and awesome and supremely capable.
- deleted 8y ago
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refurb 8y ago

Can something be socialist when a private version could never exist?

maym86 8y ago
Yes. That's not what defines it.

dionidium 8y ago

The U.S. military accepts something like 20% of its walk-in recruits. [0] When you imagine education as a "socialized entity," I strongly suspect you're not picturing an institution that rejects 80% of the population (for reasons like, say, being too fat). [0] https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/13/uncle-sam-doesnt-want-you-military-now-turns-down-/ https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/13/uncle-sam-d...

maym86 8y ago
I don't think you understand. It's a thing we all pay for. It's a publicly funded service that defends the country. It's not about who gets in, it's about how it's paid for. We all pay together for something that is not explicitly for profit that we believe to be for the good of the country. This is socialism. But also, to your point, colleges would still reject students based on grades. This happens in countries with free college education. Standards are still maintained but it doesn't depend on how much money you have. We would get the best candidates based on merit instead of their parents income.
- dionidium 8y ago
  On the contrary, I don't think you understand how college admissions work. When you're rejected by the military, there's no second- or third-tier back-up plan. But anybody who wants to go to college can go to college and they can get it paid for, no matter how unproductive or frivolous their major. When Stanford rejects you, you try a state school; when the state school rejects you, you go to one of the state's less prestigious satellite campuses. If they reject you (which is extremely unlikely), you go to community college. Federal aid is available at each strata.
  - maym86 8y ago
    Ok, sounds good, let's increase that federal aid and take the money from the military budget.