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when you do it wrong it lasts for a long time too. especially when government builds in things that hide the true costs. electric and hydrogen are only 2 opti

when you do it wrong it lasts for a long time too. especially when government builds in things that hide the true costs. electric and hydrogen are only 2 options. We should wait for one that can actually beat the gasoline engine. all we need do is make sure that the total costs of using gasoline are paid by those choosing to use it. That means taxing emissions too. if another technology can beat gasoline when all costs of both are considered, it should replace gasoline. And if nothing succeeds at doing that, then no big change makes ense

moxiemk1 16y ago
>> We should wait for one that can actually beat the gasoline engine. I'd say that motors that are far more mechanically efficient than gas engines, a fuel distribution infrastructure that's already in place (electricity mains) and in-car storage of fuel that has made enormous leaps in the past few years and shows no signs of slowing down pretty much qualifies as beating the gasoline engine. With scale, costs will be lower; there are fewer moving parts, all elements of power distribution and use can be independently upgraded to improve the efficiency and impact of the car. Gasoline cars cannot do this. Gasoline looks quite beat to me.
- stretchwithme 16y ago
  then let it beat it. If its so much beater, it should be able to do without any special help. we didn't have Steve Jobs going to DC to explain how his product is better than other phones and therefore needs a subsidy. new products should prove themselves as they always have. it should not be whichever product that has presented for it the most widely believed theory that wins if its so great, it should be able to garner investment dollars all on its own.
  - moxiemk1 16y ago
    The gasonine subsidy is a non-level playing field. Dcespite that, the cars being produced by Tesla are price competitive, and are on track to do just that, despite the subsidies.

moxiemk1 16y ago

>> We should wait for one that can actually beat the gasoline engine. I'd say that motors that are far more mechanically efficient than gas engines, a fuel distribution infrastructure that's already in place (electricity mains) and in-car storage of fuel that has made enormous leaps in the past few years and shows no signs of slowing down pretty much qualifies as beating the gasoline engine. With scale, costs will be lower; there are fewer moving parts, all elements of power distribution and use can be independently upgraded to improve the efficiency and impact of the car. Gasoline cars cannot do this. Gasoline looks quite beat to me.

stretchwithme 16y ago
then let it beat it. If its so much beater, it should be able to do without any special help. we didn't have Steve Jobs going to DC to explain how his product is better than other phones and therefore needs a subsidy. new products should prove themselves as they always have. it should not be whichever product that has presented for it the most widely believed theory that wins if its so great, it should be able to garner investment dollars all on its own.
- moxiemk1 16y ago
  The gasonine subsidy is a non-level playing field. Dcespite that, the cars being produced by Tesla are price competitive, and are on track to do just that, despite the subsidies.