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Democracy with personal freedoms = good Repressive dictatorship that regularly jails political dissidents = bad

by ethicsengineer 8y ago

parthdesai 8y ago
Democracy with personal freedom while invading foreign nations and killing innocent civilians in the process == good?
- ethicsengineer 8y ago
  There are many things that the US does that are bad. I can't think of one thing the PRC government does that is good.
  - parthdesai 8y ago
    right, and i countering your first sentence. Not everything has to be binary. One can be bad and other can be worst.
    - privacypoller 8y ago
      Except good and bad are relative, not absolute. In your case you seem to be comparing to a personal notion of "good", but it's still relative. You also state that "not everything has to be binary" and then say something can be "worst", which is the same absolute you seem to be arguing against
  - hatergonnahate 8y ago
    How about the PRC government managed to feed most of its 1.3B people and not export absurd amount of poverty?
- dominotw 8y ago
  Iraq invasion was initially welcomed by vast majority of iraqis and US were initially seen as the liberators. So "invading" is not the correct word to use because it was not seen as such by Iraqis.
  - Leary 8y ago
    So welcomed in fact they invited American troops to remain there for 10 years.
  - parthdesai 8y ago
    And what is the state of Iraq right now? How many people have died just because some power hungry lunatic "was sure" that Iraq had WMD's? What about Libya? What is the state of Libya? Let's not even get started on Afghanistan. Do you even know of Task force 47 in war of 1971 between India-Pakistan? I'm not well versed in geo politics of Latin America but there have been cases over there as well where US would meddle in internal affairs of a country and overthrow a ruler.
  - house9-2 8y ago
    > Iraq invasion was... > So "invading" is not the correct word... I think you are contradicting yourself? We invaded on false pretense 'Weapons of Mass Destruction' if I recall - it was an invasion and ideally it should have been an effort driven by the UN instead of the Republican party of the USA.
  - TheForumTroll 8y ago
    No, at wast wast majority never saw the US as liberators. Quite the opposite. Are you in a filter bubble or military?
    - dominotw 8y ago
      I got that from this documentary https://www.amazon.com/Thunder-Run-Baghdad-Not-Specified/dp/B01G9D5NSU/ref=pd_ys_iyr18 https://www.amazon.com/Thunder-Run-Baghdad-Not-Specified/dp/... Its shot from the POV of bhagdadis
- drak0n1c 8y ago
  Improved military technology in the area of sensors, precision, and communications (what Google was working on) actually reduces collateral damage and civilian deaths in ops that are going to happen regardless of hand-wringing. Imagine how much worse things would be if technical progress stopped 70 years ago and the military only had battleship cannon fire and napalm firebombing at its disposal.
hatergonnahate 8y ago
I imagine a direct implementation of "western style" democracy in China will cause a huge human right criss. There's no evidence democracy could ever scale to 1.4B people with a great portion of them in poverty still
- knuththetruth 8y ago
  India?

Democracy with personal freedoms = good Repressive dictatorship that regularly jails political dissidents = bad

parthdesai 8y ago

Democracy with personal freedom while invading foreign nations and killing innocent civilians in the process == good?

ethicsengineer 8y ago
There are many things that the US does that are bad. I can't think of one thing the PRC government does that is good.
- parthdesai 8y ago
  right, and i countering your first sentence. Not everything has to be binary. One can be bad and other can be worst.
  - privacypoller 8y ago
    Except good and bad are relative, not absolute. In your case you seem to be comparing to a personal notion of "good", but it's still relative. You also state that "not everything has to be binary" and then say something can be "worst", which is the same absolute you seem to be arguing against
- hatergonnahate 8y ago
  How about the PRC government managed to feed most of its 1.3B people and not export absurd amount of poverty?
dominotw 8y ago
Iraq invasion was initially welcomed by vast majority of iraqis and US were initially seen as the liberators. So "invading" is not the correct word to use because it was not seen as such by Iraqis.
- Leary 8y ago
  So welcomed in fact they invited American troops to remain there for 10 years.
- parthdesai 8y ago
  And what is the state of Iraq right now? How many people have died just because some power hungry lunatic "was sure" that Iraq had WMD's? What about Libya? What is the state of Libya? Let's not even get started on Afghanistan. Do you even know of Task force 47 in war of 1971 between India-Pakistan? I'm not well versed in geo politics of Latin America but there have been cases over there as well where US would meddle in internal affairs of a country and overthrow a ruler.
- house9-2 8y ago
  > Iraq invasion was... > So "invading" is not the correct word... I think you are contradicting yourself? We invaded on false pretense 'Weapons of Mass Destruction' if I recall - it was an invasion and ideally it should have been an effort driven by the UN instead of the Republican party of the USA.
- TheForumTroll 8y ago
  No, at wast wast majority never saw the US as liberators. Quite the opposite. Are you in a filter bubble or military?
  - dominotw 8y ago
    I got that from this documentary https://www.amazon.com/Thunder-Run-Baghdad-Not-Specified/dp/B01G9D5NSU/ref=pd_ys_iyr18 https://www.amazon.com/Thunder-Run-Baghdad-Not-Specified/dp/... Its shot from the POV of bhagdadis
drak0n1c 8y ago
Improved military technology in the area of sensors, precision, and communications (what Google was working on) actually reduces collateral damage and civilian deaths in ops that are going to happen regardless of hand-wringing. Imagine how much worse things would be if technical progress stopped 70 years ago and the military only had battleship cannon fire and napalm firebombing at its disposal.

hatergonnahate 8y ago

I imagine a direct implementation of "western style" democracy in China will cause a huge human right criss. There's no evidence democracy could ever scale to 1.4B people with a great portion of them in poverty still

knuththetruth 8y ago
India?