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Please, that's not a verified claim[0], and you shouldn't trust any VPN service that isn't operated by you in the first place. [0]: Plus, it was raised by a co

Please, that's not a verified claim[0], and you shouldn't trust any VPN service that isn't operated by you in the first place. [0]: Plus, it was raised by a competitor, Private Internet Access, so it makes it even more difficult to get the facts straight.

krn 8y ago
> Please, that's not a verified claim[0], and you shouldn't trust any VPN service that isn't operated by you in the first place. The co-founders of ProtonMail were caught providing multiple inaccurate statements about their business practices in that thread, and couldn't deny any of the facts stated by the co-founder of PIA[1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17262566 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17262566
- close04 8y ago
  Which part of the world should any service be provided from to be trustworthy? Let me rephrase, which services are known to have never cooperated with any agency, nor ever being hacked by them?
  - ltc5505 8y ago
    ... Facebook
rasengan 8y ago
> it was raised by a competitor, Private Internet Access Focus on the facts. Not the messenger. Secondly, I admire your love of this discussion [1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17497912 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17497912
- crankylinuxuser 8y ago
  1. You are the user in question that is a co-founder for PIA. 2. You are a direct competitor to Proton* 3. "Messengers", especially in the position of founder of the competitor, have significant bias. 4. You have a fiduciary reason for them to fail. 5. user protonmail has noted significant harassment regarding this issue Im inclined to distrust both of you. I find that your arguments might have merit. But I also see you as a digital aggressor. I don't particularly like either.
  - rasengan 8y ago
    Nothing you said here addressed the facts that were provided. Good luck!
    - prophesi 8y ago
      I'm sure the poster was addressing "Focus on the facts. Not the messenger." As was listed, there are plenty of good reasons to learn about the messenger, just like how looking up my comment history will show my propensity for calling this argument out. You know my ulterior motives and where I'm coming from.
    - yacn 8y ago
      Well one things certain: I'll never use Private Internet Access after this ridiculous comment from you[0] not even three months ago. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17261149 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17261149 -- need to have "showdead" enabled in profile
      - rasengan 8y ago
        I stand by that statement.
        yacn 8y ago
        And I stand by mine that I'll never use or recommend Private Internet Access.
        frankzinger 8y ago
        Those types of comments (yours and the general back-and-forth with ProtonMail) make the VPN industry look like it's full of sharks. It's hurting all of you. It makes you look unprofessional. Before seeing this I had a favourable impression of PIA, but not anymore. EDIT: I'm sure the competition is intense and I'm not sure I would be able to rise above it myself but I think you need to be aware of what it looks like.
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krn 8y ago

> Please, that's not a verified claim[0], and you shouldn't trust any VPN service that isn't operated by you in the first place. The co-founders of ProtonMail were caught providing multiple inaccurate statements about their business practices in that thread, and couldn't deny any of the facts stated by the co-founder of PIA[1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17262566 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17262566

close04 8y ago
Which part of the world should any service be provided from to be trustworthy? Let me rephrase, which services are known to have never cooperated with any agency, nor ever being hacked by them?
- ltc5505 8y ago
  ... Facebook

rasengan 8y ago

> it was raised by a competitor, Private Internet Access Focus on the facts. Not the messenger. Secondly, I admire your love of this discussion [1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17497912 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17497912

crankylinuxuser 8y ago
1. You are the user in question that is a co-founder for PIA. 2. You are a direct competitor to Proton* 3. "Messengers", especially in the position of founder of the competitor, have significant bias. 4. You have a fiduciary reason for them to fail. 5. user protonmail has noted significant harassment regarding this issue Im inclined to distrust both of you. I find that your arguments might have merit. But I also see you as a digital aggressor. I don't particularly like either.
- rasengan 8y ago
  Nothing you said here addressed the facts that were provided. Good luck!
  - prophesi 8y ago
    I'm sure the poster was addressing "Focus on the facts. Not the messenger." As was listed, there are plenty of good reasons to learn about the messenger, just like how looking up my comment history will show my propensity for calling this argument out. You know my ulterior motives and where I'm coming from.
  - yacn 8y ago
    Well one things certain: I'll never use Private Internet Access after this ridiculous comment from you[0] not even three months ago. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17261149 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17261149 -- need to have "showdead" enabled in profile
    - rasengan 8y ago
      I stand by that statement.
      - yacn 8y ago
        And I stand by mine that I'll never use or recommend Private Internet Access.
      - frankzinger 8y ago
        Those types of comments (yours and the general back-and-forth with ProtonMail) make the VPN industry look like it's full of sharks. It's hurting all of you. It makes you look unprofessional. Before seeing this I had a favourable impression of PIA, but not anymore. EDIT: I'm sure the competition is intense and I'm not sure I would be able to rise above it myself but I think you need to be aware of what it looks like.

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