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Unless I'm seeing some leftovers from the beta/rc, I think the default theme still ships with a nearly impossible to grab window border, which is somewhat infur

by tvon 16y ago

Unless I'm seeing some leftovers from the beta/rc, I think the default theme still ships with a nearly impossible to grab window border, which is somewhat infuriating.

dekomote 16y ago
Usually i use shiki themes and elementary from time to time. They all have the same issue. I think that's metacity perk and not theme related. Recently I became switched to LXDE (try it on High Performance PC - Mind blown) and i don't have that problem as openbox has nice borders and handles.
- paol 16y ago
  You can make borders as thick as you like. The "1px border" disease is a theme design problem. It wouldn't matter if bottom-right resize handles were standard, but as it is only a few windows have them.
  - NickPollard 16y ago
    Try holding down <Alt> and middle clicking anywhere near the window corner, I find that far faster than trying to grab any kind of corner or side, and I get frustrated when I have to use an OS (eg. Windows) that doesn't support this.
    - superos 16y ago
      I know that frustration. I catch myself trying to do that in Windows all the time.
paol 16y ago
No, you're seeing it correctly. I was of the (apparently minority) opinion that they had really dropped the ball with the new theme introduced in 10.04. That one release later still suffers from blatant UI screwups like that is really disappointing.
- tvon 16y ago
  It's a pretty stupid bug to ship with, I'd easily call it a showstopper.
  - nuclear_eclipse 16y ago
    Step 1. Hold Alt key and middle drag anywhere in the window to start resizing it. Step 2. Stop caring that you can even resize a window by left dragging on tiny little corners.
    - tvon 16y ago
      It's less about me and more about people that don't know about shortcuts like this.
superos 16y ago
Usually I do not grab borders in GNOME. I use Alt-Button1 to move and Alt-Button3 to resize (alternatively Alt-F7 or Alt-F8).
- tvon 16y ago
  You don't have much of a choice if you're using the default theme.
mgunes 16y ago
The long term fix for the issue of window resizing being difficult (unless you use Alt + Button2) has only just landed in GTK+ 3 master: http://blogs.fedoraproject.org/wp/mclasen/2010/10/09/getting-a-grip/ http://blogs.fedoraproject.org/wp/mclasen/2010/10/09/getting... It makes it possible to implement an easy to grab window handle in every GtkWindow regardless of whether it uses a status bar, among other things.
acabal 16y ago
Hasn't this been a bug for years? I think it has something to do with the core theming system making it difficult/impossible to do, so while it appears to be a minor bug it's actually a very deep problem.
- Symmetry 16y ago
  Or possibly so many developers are just used to using ALT-button 2 that it isn't a pain point for them.

by tvon 16y ago

Unless I'm seeing some leftovers from the beta/rc, I think the default theme still ships with a nearly impossible to grab window border, which is somewhat infuriating.

dekomote 16y ago

Usually i use shiki themes and elementary from time to time. They all have the same issue. I think that's metacity perk and not theme related. Recently I became switched to LXDE (try it on High Performance PC - Mind blown) and i don't have that problem as openbox has nice borders and handles.

paol 16y ago
You can make borders as thick as you like. The "1px border" disease is a theme design problem. It wouldn't matter if bottom-right resize handles were standard, but as it is only a few windows have them.
- NickPollard 16y ago
  Try holding down <Alt> and middle clicking anywhere near the window corner, I find that far faster than trying to grab any kind of corner or side, and I get frustrated when I have to use an OS (eg. Windows) that doesn't support this.
  - superos 16y ago
    I know that frustration. I catch myself trying to do that in Windows all the time.

paol 16y ago

No, you're seeing it correctly. I was of the (apparently minority) opinion that they had really dropped the ball with the new theme introduced in 10.04. That one release later still suffers from blatant UI screwups like that is really disappointing.

tvon 16y ago
It's a pretty stupid bug to ship with, I'd easily call it a showstopper.
- nuclear_eclipse 16y ago
  Step 1. Hold Alt key and middle drag anywhere in the window to start resizing it. Step 2. Stop caring that you can even resize a window by left dragging on tiny little corners.
  - tvon 16y ago
    It's less about me and more about people that don't know about shortcuts like this.

superos 16y ago

Usually I do not grab borders in GNOME. I use Alt-Button1 to move and Alt-Button3 to resize (alternatively Alt-F7 or Alt-F8).

tvon 16y ago
You don't have much of a choice if you're using the default theme.

mgunes 16y ago

The long term fix for the issue of window resizing being difficult (unless you use Alt + Button2) has only just landed in GTK+ 3 master: http://blogs.fedoraproject.org/wp/mclasen/2010/10/09/getting-a-grip/ http://blogs.fedoraproject.org/wp/mclasen/2010/10/09/getting... It makes it possible to implement an easy to grab window handle in every GtkWindow regardless of whether it uses a status bar, among other things.

acabal 16y ago

Hasn't this been a bug for years? I think it has something to do with the core theming system making it difficult/impossible to do, so while it appears to be a minor bug it's actually a very deep problem.

Symmetry 16y ago
Or possibly so many developers are just used to using ALT-button 2 that it isn't a pain point for them.