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And yet most arrondissements have densities similar or greater than Manhattan (28k / km2): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrondissements_of_Paris#Arrondissement

And yet most arrondissements have densities similar or greater than Manhattan (28k / km2): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrondissements_of_Paris#Arrondissements https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrondissements_of_Paris#Arron...

woodpanel 8y ago
Size of Paris: 104km^2 [1] Size of Manhattan: 59km^2 [2] Density Paris: 21,000/km^2 [1] Density Manhattan: 28,154/km^2 [2] Comparing arrondissements with a larger area like Manhattan is not good. If you compare Manhattan's wards with Paris's arrondissements you get a clearer picture: 11th arrondissement: 41.500/km^2 [3] Upper Westsides 25th district: 92.400/km^2 [4] Looks like the visual comparison of stories works out quite well with regards to density [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrondissements_of_Paris#Arrondissements https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrondissements_of_Paris#Arron... [4] https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1KH824f7Bya0UVvEzTMcBxJ_Qds8KW2E4&ll=40.725554769468175%2C-73.96030341838764&z=12 https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1KH824f7Bya0UVv...
- realusername 8y ago
  If you build taller buildings, you will need to have wider streets, thus resulting in the same density, it won't solve anything.
  - woodpanel 8y ago
    is it anecdotal or is it provable? There are dozens of open wide Rues, Avenues and Boulevards in Paris that don't have any dense housing compared to Manhattan or Hong Kong etc.
    - realusername 8y ago
      Yeah you can maybe put only 5 or 10 more skyscrapers by destroying the biggest empty spaces (there's not that many of them), what would be the point of that? It's not a dozen of skyscrapers which will solve the housing crisis.
      - woodpanel 8y ago
        No you would scrap some buildings instead. But thats of course not doable because preservationism declares every of those 6-8 story buildings in Paris, that are of crumbling conditions a historical landmark if necessary.
    - grumpydba 8y ago
      Yeah but we tend to think that it's a pretty shitty idea to replace those nifty Carved stone buildings with cheap and shallow stained glass/concrete/steel ones.
  - fiblye 8y ago
    What? I've never seen this in practice. Hong Kong is incredibly dense and full of high rise buildings (Kowloon has 110,000 people/square mile) and streets aren't exactly wide. Seoul packs in 42,000 people per square mile without many significantly wide streets. Tokyo streets are often only suitable for one way traffic.
    - realusername 8y ago
      Paris is already more dense than Hong Kong and Tokyo
      - tokyodude 8y ago
        Paris is not remotely as dense as Tokyo or Hong Kong. Stats lie because there is some random defintion of density based on some arbitrary area / population where area = unused parts of the city. For example "Tokyo" has unpopulated mountains as part of it's very large "official" area. Same with HK. Choose the actually city parts and the actual "city" of Tokyo and HK and many X more dense than Paris. They are night and day different. Paris is quaint compared to Tokyo and HK.
    - cdavid 8y ago
      Tokyo proper (23 wards) is much less dense than Paris, not more. The densest wards are around 20k / km2, while the least dense "arrondissement" in Paris is 17k / km2, with most of them quite above 50k / km2 and more.
      - fiblye 8y ago
        A big factor in that is that a huge amount of Tokyo is purely towering office space. People commute in from up to and over 100km away since their transportation fees are covered and high speed trains are a feasible way to travel.
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woodpanel 8y ago

Size of Paris: 104km^2 [1] Size of Manhattan: 59km^2 [2] Density Paris: 21,000/km^2 [1] Density Manhattan: 28,154/km^2 [2] Comparing arrondissements with a larger area like Manhattan is not good. If you compare Manhattan's wards with Paris's arrondissements you get a clearer picture: 11th arrondissement: 41.500/km^2 [3] Upper Westsides 25th district: 92.400/km^2 [4] Looks like the visual comparison of stories works out quite well with regards to density [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrondissements_of_Paris#Arrondissements https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrondissements_of_Paris#Arron... [4] https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1KH824f7Bya0UVvEzTMcBxJ_Qds8KW2E4&ll=40.725554769468175%2C-73.96030341838764&z=12 https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1KH824f7Bya0UVv...

realusername 8y ago
If you build taller buildings, you will need to have wider streets, thus resulting in the same density, it won't solve anything.
- woodpanel 8y ago
  is it anecdotal or is it provable? There are dozens of open wide Rues, Avenues and Boulevards in Paris that don't have any dense housing compared to Manhattan or Hong Kong etc.
  - realusername 8y ago
    Yeah you can maybe put only 5 or 10 more skyscrapers by destroying the biggest empty spaces (there's not that many of them), what would be the point of that? It's not a dozen of skyscrapers which will solve the housing crisis.
    - woodpanel 8y ago
      No you would scrap some buildings instead. But thats of course not doable because preservationism declares every of those 6-8 story buildings in Paris, that are of crumbling conditions a historical landmark if necessary.
  - grumpydba 8y ago
    Yeah but we tend to think that it's a pretty shitty idea to replace those nifty Carved stone buildings with cheap and shallow stained glass/concrete/steel ones.
- fiblye 8y ago
  What? I've never seen this in practice. Hong Kong is incredibly dense and full of high rise buildings (Kowloon has 110,000 people/square mile) and streets aren't exactly wide. Seoul packs in 42,000 people per square mile without many significantly wide streets. Tokyo streets are often only suitable for one way traffic.
  - realusername 8y ago
    Paris is already more dense than Hong Kong and Tokyo
    - tokyodude 8y ago
      Paris is not remotely as dense as Tokyo or Hong Kong. Stats lie because there is some random defintion of density based on some arbitrary area / population where area = unused parts of the city. For example "Tokyo" has unpopulated mountains as part of it's very large "official" area. Same with HK. Choose the actually city parts and the actual "city" of Tokyo and HK and many X more dense than Paris. They are night and day different. Paris is quaint compared to Tokyo and HK.
  - cdavid 8y ago
    Tokyo proper (23 wards) is much less dense than Paris, not more. The densest wards are around 20k / km2, while the least dense "arrondissement" in Paris is 17k / km2, with most of them quite above 50k / km2 and more.
    - fiblye 8y ago
      A big factor in that is that a huge amount of Tokyo is purely towering office space. People commute in from up to and over 100km away since their transportation fees are covered and high speed trains are a feasible way to travel.
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