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I agree that I see a lot of Chinese apologism in the form of "this is the Chinese way" here. I wouldn't say that the comments are necessarily pro-China though,
by toomanybeersies 8y ago
I agree that I see a lot of Chinese apologism in the form of "this is the Chinese way" here.
I wouldn't say that the comments are necessarily pro-China though, but rather just explaining that it is a different culture and things are done in a different way.
I do think it's a bullshit cop out though. I think that it's ignorant at best and racist at worst when people make comments here along the lines of "Chinese people like authoritarian societies and couldn't function in a democracy", usually justified by saying that China has been an authoritarian society since day 0. Europe, until recently, was a continent ruled by autocrats (whether in the form of kings, presidents, or emperors).
There are plenty of Chinese democracy activists, and I'm yet to meet a Chinese immigrant who has any love for the CCP and the Chinese government.
- Jarwain 8y agoWould an immigrant Be an immigrant if they held love for the CCP and the Chinese Government?
- bacon_waffle 8y agoThere are a lot of reasons that people move to different countries, aside from feelings about the government they're moving away from.
- toomanybeersies 8y agoI migrated from New Zealand to Australia, yet I like the current ruling coalition and government in New Zealand and dislike the Australian ruling coalition and government. There are reasons to migrate beyond politics.
- 07d046 8y agoThere's been a lot of discussion recently about Chinese influence or interference in Australia, and much of that is through Chinese people living in Australia. For example, Chau Chak Wing is a Chinese-Australian billionaire with ties to the Chinese Communist Party, is one of Australia's top political donors, and is the unindicted co-conspirator in a bribery case involving the former president of the UN general assembly. https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/political-donor-chau-chak-wing-behind-un-bribe-scandal-parliament-told-20180522-p4zgs5.html https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/political-donor-chau... Edit: In today's news, more controversy around another Chinese billionaire with permanent residence in Australia and how he's getting involved in Australian politics for the benefit of the CCP https://www.smh.com.au/politics/western-australia/wyatt-s-all-expenses-paid-china-trip-linked-to-controversial-billionaire-communist-regime-20180815-p4zxn2.html https://www.smh.com.au/politics/western-australia/wyatt-s-al...
- emmelaich 8y agoChinese influence has been going on a long time. I'm not sure whether politicians are aware and think they're immune. Or unaware and naive. http://articles.latimes.com/1994-10-28/news/mn-55837_1_business-ties/4 http://articles.latimes.com/1994-10-28/news/mn-55837_1_busin...
- _jal 8y agoBecause people are complicated and do things for complicated reasons.
- 07d046 8y agoIt's a popular argument that "Asian values" legitimise China's approach. But it appears to be wrong: > Findings from our multinational survey suggest no obvious relationship between Asian values and support for freedom of expression at the country level. At the individual level, the data suggest a positive relationship between Asian values and support for freedom of expression when Asian values are treated as a single concept. http://as.ucpress.edu/content/58/3/535 http://as.ucpress.edu/content/58/3/535 Moreover, the existence of Taiwan, a progressive, wealthy liberal democracy full of Chinese people, would disprove that claim too.
- EdwardDiego 8y ago> I'm yet to meet a Chinese immigrant who has any love for the CCP and the Chinese government. Plenty here, hence why China uses them to keep an eye on the migrants who don't... ...and to influence politics.