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I don't follow: surely, a sql dump is possible with sqlite, and you could use just that in your VCS ? As for ini file, the format is supported in the python st

by cdavid 16y ago

I don't follow: surely, a sql dump is possible with sqlite, and you could use just that in your VCS ? As for ini file, the format is supported in the python stdlib, which makes it a natural default if you don't need too much. If .ini is not enough, I think in general you need something with a bit some logic, at which step using the database itself makes sense in mongrel2 case.

tptacek 16y ago
Ew. I used to write a lot of Python, but I didn't know there was a standard INI parser. Gross.
- zedshaw 16y ago
  What? You should totally be into .ini files. I mean, one incomprehensible difficult to automate bizarre ass user interface file is no better than any other.
  - tptacek 16y ago
    It's a false dichotomy to suggest that because INI files are incomprehensible, difficult to automate, and have bizarre asses, all text configuration files must be the same. But, like your comment, that's just message board geekery. I wouldn't want to suggest that it's worth arguing about.
    - zedshaw 16y ago
      You keep using the logic phrases that you seem to not understand. It's not a false dichotomy, it's a generalization that has no external validity. It has internal validity though.
      - tptacek 16y ago
        Vocabulary really seems to be tripping us up today. Let's just cite the Nizkor list when critiquing arguments. For reference, I'm invoking #24, "False Dilemma": http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/false-dilemma.html http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/false-dilemma.html Specifically: Bill: "We'll have to keep our configurations in a database and avoid flat text files." Jill: "Why?" Bill: "Because otherwise we'll be stuck with incomprehensible text files with bizarre asses."
    - cdavid 16y ago
      I wonder: what kind of format is easy to automate ? What makes configuration file difficult to "automate" is their multiple format (especially on unix), the fact that it is not easy to reload a configuration (most applications don't even allow it) and that there is no easy way to check that your configuration matches how the app is configured (especially for bad softwares). The format only helps for the first point.

by cdavid 16y ago

tptacek 16y ago

Ew. I used to write a lot of Python, but I didn't know there was a standard INI parser. Gross.

zedshaw 16y ago
What? You should totally be into .ini files. I mean, one incomprehensible difficult to automate bizarre ass user interface file is no better than any other.
- tptacek 16y ago
  It's a false dichotomy to suggest that because INI files are incomprehensible, difficult to automate, and have bizarre asses, all text configuration files must be the same. But, like your comment, that's just message board geekery. I wouldn't want to suggest that it's worth arguing about.
  - zedshaw 16y ago
    You keep using the logic phrases that you seem to not understand. It's not a false dichotomy, it's a generalization that has no external validity. It has internal validity though.
    - tptacek 16y ago
      Vocabulary really seems to be tripping us up today. Let's just cite the Nizkor list when critiquing arguments. For reference, I'm invoking #24, "False Dilemma": http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/false-dilemma.html http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/false-dilemma.html Specifically: Bill: "We'll have to keep our configurations in a database and avoid flat text files." Jill: "Why?" Bill: "Because otherwise we'll be stuck with incomprehensible text files with bizarre asses."
  - cdavid 16y ago
    I wonder: what kind of format is easy to automate ? What makes configuration file difficult to "automate" is their multiple format (especially on unix), the fact that it is not easy to reload a configuration (most applications don't even allow it) and that there is no easy way to check that your configuration matches how the app is configured (especially for bad softwares). The format only helps for the first point.