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Women's Pockets are Inferior
- fossuser 8y agoI think a reasonable startup idea would be a women's fashion brand that makes this their focus - clothes with good pockets (dresses, pants, etc.).
- 1996 8y agoor you know, have a tailor. A well fitted suit goes a long way, and tailors do alterations
- anyfoo 8y agoIt's not something that you'd wear every day, though. Apart from some professions and cultures, in many parts of the world you don't wear suits regularly to work anymore. And often, a suite worn out of place is "overdressing" and a faux pas. Wearing cargo pants or similar will usually draw less attention, in most every day situations.
- EpicEng 8y agoTailors can tailor most anything, not only suits.
- stormbrew 8y agoThere are at least a couple out there. eShakti will put pockets on any of the clothes they make (but their whole thing is they custom tailor everything they sell) and Svaha is focused on both 'geeky' and 'has pockets' as differentiators. Sadly neither run a very large gamut of style.
- twunde 8y agoI've actually thought about this multiple times (this complaint comes up once a month minimum). The big deal to me is that it's super-easy to copy. You'd spend a few years marketing and growing a startup and then once it became popular, every major competitor would copy it. There's no moat. I think at that point you'd need branding strong enough for a stand-alone fashion firm that's not tied to just large pockets. Doable, but not my wheelhouse
- cwkoss 8y agoIncorporate as social purpose corporation and dissolve once average pocket on the market reaches desired size. Branding about "buy our clothes: put us out of business" (then explaining the corporate self destruct mechanism) could catch people's attention
- et-al 8y agoPivotte does this: https://www.pivottestudio.com/ https://www.pivottestudio.com/ Why they're not any larger, I have yet to ask. Perhaps their branding or marketing doesn't appeal to more folks.
- threatofrain 8y agoIn the age of automation, perhaps one can get custom clothing, rather than male or female clothing.
- tinalumfoil 8y ago> Pockets, unlike purses, are hidden, private spaces. Purses are private spaces. And I assure you the baggiest cargo pants in the world aren't keeping that Note 8 hidden. > And sure, we could all carry handbags ....men’s pants pockets are basically the pockets of our dreams. It's far more socially acceptable for a woman to wear men's jeans than men to carry woman's handbags (speaking for the US). If you're buying pants that don't fit your needs, shame on you. EDIT: I'm getting some well-deserved criticism below for being a bit harsh above. I don't speak as someone who has worn woman's clothing or has had to deal with their shortcomings, and I don't have any issues with the analysis (I didn't that part too closely, I always thought woman's pockets being smaller was common knowledge). My issue is the false characterization as a patriarchal design choice ("patriarchy of pockets") as opposed to a pervasive fashion choice which nobody is obligated to participate in.
- Skunkleton 8y agoI carry a Timbuk2 small bag pretty much everywhere, and have been subject to all sorts of discrimination.
- watwut 8y agoI want to know whether you are trolling or are serious.
- Skunkleton 8y agoI'm serious. I carry one of these [1]. The most common problem I have is w/ businesses getting sketched out. Costco asks to look inside it more often than not for example. Its not like it is one of the large ones, it is pretty much a glorified fanny pack, and is about the same size as an average purse. Costco has never asked to look inside my wife's purse. [1] https://www.timbuk2.com/collections/all-messenger-bags https://www.timbuk2.com/collections/all-messenger-bags
- core-questions 8y agoWhat's your response? Do you fire back? You shouldn't let someone give you guff for something like this.
- watwut 8y agoI have pants with pockets where phone fits and love it. But damm, it took a lot of time to find them.
- youseecomrade 8y agoIt's time to bring fanny packs back, but please don't turn them into power banks.
- privong 8y ago> It's time to bring fanny packs back, but please don't turn them into power banks. They're already on their way back. Several friends in Colorado have told me they've been thinking about buying one or have bought one. I'm also starting to see college kids here at U Florida wearing them around.
- erk__ 8y agoThe "new" thing seems to be wearing them around the shoulder with the pack on the back, at least I have seen a couple of people doing that.
- privong 8y agoThe ugrads I've seen have been wearing them around the waist, but now that you mention it, I do recall seeing older folks (older than ugrads, I mean) wearing them over the shoulder.
- katpas 8y agoI can't fit my one plus 6 in most of my jacket pockets let alone jeans. It means I'm walking around with my phone in my hand when I go out mid work day which is super annoying. Good to see some data on how far off pocket size actually is.
- jasonkostempski 8y agoI am a man and I've never had pockets that can hold a phone bigger than my old 4S, and every phone since the 4S is much bigger than the 4S. But I don't want pockets to change, I want phones to get smaller again. Remember when making phones smaller was the trend?
- rhinoceraptor 8y agoWhat pants are you wearing? I can easily fit my girlfriend's 8+ in my Levi's pocket below my X, which I often do since she often has no pockets. The other pocket has my wallet, airpods and a small flashlight with some room to spare.
- jasonkostempski 8y agoMy pants may have been made even before the 4S.
- clairity 8y agothis comes up often in conversation among women. form vs. function. why can't we have both? for easy reach, my iphone typically goes in a back pcoket if i have one (usually jeans of some sort), or a side pocket on my laptop bag if not.
- trukterious 8y agoI remember at my college dining hall there'd usually be a row of keys on the table in front of any row of women sat down to dinner.
- cwkoss 8y agoThose graphics that show the average pocket size and shape with ghost lines for each sample are really cool. Very well designed page.
- cwkoss 8y agoWhen is someone going to make a startup that just tailors women's pants to increase pocket size? You'd get so much PR buzz for free. EDIT: One way to do this is as a reshipper - customer buys a new item, you order item to factory, alter pockets, then ship the product to end customer. "butWithBiggerPockets.com" Sizing issues could be a challenge though - if you alter an item, it can't be returned.
- tolle 8y agoLike a tailor?
- cwkoss 8y agoCan't get VC money or free PR unless you apply the thin coat of buzzwords and shiny tech - should probably add a VR P2P neural network blockchain protocol to the business model for good measure.
- hefeweizen 8y ago"We are proud to launch Pants 2.0, our custom tailored solution for all your storage problems".
- 0xbadcafebee 8y agoI don't think we needed a data analysis to know women's pockets are in a sad state. Here are bunch of links on why they are this way: https://www.marketplace.org/2014/09/18/tech/why-womens-pockets-are-useless-history https://www.marketplace.org/2014/09/18/tech/why-womens-pocke... https://www.quora.com/Womens-Fashion-and-Style-Why-do-girls-jeans-have-smaller-pockets-than-guys-jeans https://www.quora.com/Womens-Fashion-and-Style-Why-do-girls-... https://www.racked.com/2016/9/19/12865560/politics-of-pockets-suffragettes-women https://www.racked.com/2016/9/19/12865560/politics-of-pocket... https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/09/the-gender-politics-of-pockets/380935/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/09/the-g... In terms of fashion, weird pockets and false garments are a thing for men, too. Men's suits, for example, used to be cut much looser and wider. You could keep half your dirty laundry in those pockets. Now fashionable suits are slim or skinny, and anything in those pockets stick out like a symbiotic mutant tumor reading Arnold Schwarzenegger's mind. But at least they have pockets. Men's fashion garments sometimes have false pockets, but most men's garments are predominately functional, so the false pocket for men is extremely rare. But women's garments are heavily fashion-oriented, where adding pockets doesn't make financial sense. So because women's garments are more fashion-forward, they're less likely to be functional. Besides sexism and politics, what it seems to come down to is men don't mind looking frumpy, and women really do mind. (Unless you're under 25, and then the hipster fashion trend for both is looking as much like a thrift store hobo from the 90's as humanly possible, which accepts wearing dad jeans with functional pockets)
- jeffbax 8y agoUNIVERSAL CARGO SHORTS NOW
- jimworm 8y agoPockets cost money to make, and therefore could be removed to cut costs if buyers do not value them. Do men value pockets more than women? Speaking as an owner of very few items of clothing, just one item with inadequate pockets causes a lot of inconvenience, so my tolerance for them is zero. Manufacturers of inadequate pockets can wipe this segment right out of their market - although I only have evidence to confirm segment size of 1.
- JoeAltmaier 8y agoMen's shorts have useless pockets - everything falls out of them when I sit in a car.
- anewone 8y agoTrousers as well. Kept losing my phone until I got a case.
- loco5niner 8y agoThis isn't about equality. This is about the majority of women wanting something different than what the majority of men want. Men are more likely to be utilitarian, women are more likely to want to look nice. The market is simply providing what women want and have proven will pay for. Same with men. I can still sympathize... the struggle is real.
- etrautmann 8y agowhy was this flagged?
- jdougan 8y agoI think what many women may need is to actually use pants with good pockets for awhile, then they may change their priorities. "Women Wear Cargo Shorts For A Week": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cthA22qL9AI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cthA22qL9AI
- pomfrey 8y agoWomens' pockets only need to carry a condom. Mens' need to hold a wallet.
- agounaris 8y agoThis is 2018, who is using pockets? Everything is on the cloud!
- nwbrown 8y agoI am in full support of women's clothing getting oversized pockets. Especially if it means I can wear cargo pants without getting weird looks from women.