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As much as I like what Elizabeth Warren says and stands for, it seems that she has absolutely no power to get anything done. So much so, that whenever I see her

by jbob2000 8y ago

As much as I like what Elizabeth Warren says and stands for, it seems that she has absolutely no power to get anything done. So much so, that whenever I see her name in a headline, I know to avoid the article because it's all fluff and nothing will come of it.

bmm6o 8y ago
Passing legislation now is not the reason she is proposing this. By the time the Democrats have the votes to even make passing this a possibility, it will no longer be a new idea and won't seem to radical.
- jbob2000 8y ago
  That’s a huge list of assumptions. I’m really surprised I’m getting downvotes for this. The bill she proposes simultaneously pisses off big business and the right wing. There is absolutely no way this legislation is getting through, it’s just pandering for the media.
  - bryanlarsen 8y ago
    This is essentially a discussion piece / proposal for the 2020 Democratic election platform.
  - bmm6o 8y ago
    I'm not sure what "huge list of assumptions" you are referring to, merely the idea that she knows this can't pass today? I think putting these ideas out there in concrete form is a fine approach. If she wanted to "pander to the media" she could have just come up with a slogan with nothing behind it. An actual proposal that can be debated is the opposite of pandering to the media. "Repeal and Replace" as the entirety of your proposal is pandering to the media.
- dragonwriter 8y ago
  > Passing legislation now is not the reason she is proposing this Now, sure. After the midterms... Maybe a different story (at least in terms of getting it to President's desk), depending on how they turn out. Sure, not all of it will survive the process, but if the only substantive restriction that accompanied the charter was the political spending rule, Democrats would love to put Trump in the position where he'd have to either sign or veto that.
  - cannonedhamster 8y ago
    Trump voters have not shown that there is a line that they will not accept from the President. As long as he does it, he gains approval, regardless of any real outcomes. I think people expecting a blue wave are in for a rough shock when actual election results come in. Trump voters are loyal, and more importantly, show up to vote instead of just talking about how they wish they could change something.
drewrv 8y ago
She's a senator in the minority party, there's not much she can do beyond throwing ideas out there. She did accomplish quite a bit in the Obama years.
- cannonedhamster 8y ago
  Everything she accomplished has been rolled back or is in the process of being rolled back. Democrats have not had solid staying power or the ability to get things done at a congressional level in my lifetime. You literally have the least productive congress in history in place dominated by Republicans and there is no clear, strong message from the Democratic party. If Democrats hope to ever regain political clout, they need to take a serious look at where they are versus where they would like to be and find out what is causing that delta. They certainly haven't captured the message, everything that is being done today is reactionary.
matt_the_bass 8y ago
I think she wants to force the republicans to publicly state a position that the democrats can use as a criticism in the mid term elections. I doubt she expects it to pass. I suspect she does hope it will help the dems win a few seats in the next election.

bmm6o 8y ago

Passing legislation now is not the reason she is proposing this. By the time the Democrats have the votes to even make passing this a possibility, it will no longer be a new idea and won't seem to radical.

jbob2000 8y ago
That’s a huge list of assumptions. I’m really surprised I’m getting downvotes for this. The bill she proposes simultaneously pisses off big business and the right wing. There is absolutely no way this legislation is getting through, it’s just pandering for the media.
- bryanlarsen 8y ago
  This is essentially a discussion piece / proposal for the 2020 Democratic election platform.
- bmm6o 8y ago
  I'm not sure what "huge list of assumptions" you are referring to, merely the idea that she knows this can't pass today? I think putting these ideas out there in concrete form is a fine approach. If she wanted to "pander to the media" she could have just come up with a slogan with nothing behind it. An actual proposal that can be debated is the opposite of pandering to the media. "Repeal and Replace" as the entirety of your proposal is pandering to the media.
dragonwriter 8y ago
> Passing legislation now is not the reason she is proposing this Now, sure. After the midterms... Maybe a different story (at least in terms of getting it to President's desk), depending on how they turn out. Sure, not all of it will survive the process, but if the only substantive restriction that accompanied the charter was the political spending rule, Democrats would love to put Trump in the position where he'd have to either sign or veto that.
- cannonedhamster 8y ago
  Trump voters have not shown that there is a line that they will not accept from the President. As long as he does it, he gains approval, regardless of any real outcomes. I think people expecting a blue wave are in for a rough shock when actual election results come in. Trump voters are loyal, and more importantly, show up to vote instead of just talking about how they wish they could change something.

drewrv 8y ago

She's a senator in the minority party, there's not much she can do beyond throwing ideas out there. She did accomplish quite a bit in the Obama years.

cannonedhamster 8y ago
Everything she accomplished has been rolled back or is in the process of being rolled back. Democrats have not had solid staying power or the ability to get things done at a congressional level in my lifetime. You literally have the least productive congress in history in place dominated by Republicans and there is no clear, strong message from the Democratic party. If Democrats hope to ever regain political clout, they need to take a serious look at where they are versus where they would like to be and find out what is causing that delta. They certainly haven't captured the message, everything that is being done today is reactionary.

matt_the_bass 8y ago

I think she wants to force the republicans to publicly state a position that the democrats can use as a criticism in the mid term elections. I doubt she expects it to pass. I suspect she does hope it will help the dems win a few seats in the next election.