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>1. the industry taxed near to the limit. 2. Welfare is not cheap by any means. 3. Germany is an ageing country, and the amount of welfare payouts will go even

>1. the industry taxed near to the limit. 2. Welfare is not cheap by any means. 3. Germany is an ageing country, and the amount of welfare payouts will go even further. Want to explain to me how this is even a bad thing? It sounds like the Germans have solidarity for their fellow people/workers and realize everyone should be provided the basics for a peace of mind and overall better workers that can rest and enjoy life outside of work. American capitalism doesn't have to happen everywhere. It's a system that provides for the few instead of the many, unlike Germany that provides for the many instead of the few

baybal2 8y ago
>Want to explain to me how this is even a bad thing? I believe Germany can do even better if they can find ways to reduce the ratio of people in workforce to welfare recipients. Don't forget, we talk about that in the context of EU. Germany is carrying half of EU on its shoulders. >it sounds like the Germans have solidarity for their fellow people/workers and realize everyone should be provided the basics for a peace of mind Doing just "basics for a peace of mind" is doable with not much less, but nevertheless less money. The few developer countries in Asia can show how to do that well. My main criticism is that Germany's welfare is more expensive that that of other countries because not only direct payouts are moderately high, but welfare paid infrastructure and services are taking quite a lot too: lifts for pedestrian overpasses in the middle of nowhere, free transit ticket for people with minimal and non-mobility hampering disabilities, access to free housing (depending on a state) for people with income that qualifies as high in countries just across the border... and on and on Big issue with all extensive welfare systems in the West is that in them, needs of people in need are not being known by people who are entrusted with administering welfare to them. I can easily pull out many example of welfare states where people in need live miserably. When the welfare does not benefit to the person in need, what's use of it? In that case it just becomes wasted money. With all my militant atheism, I can give high mark to welfare administrators in the gulf region. Zakat distribution by mosques is very straightforward, addressing needs of people in need in the most straightforward way. >and overall better workers that can rest and enjoy life outside of work. I believe a professionals can enjoy life even more if they simply get higher salaries. In that context, I believe that German labour councils serve a good role, making people understand that "they can't milk a dead cow." It is very good when both sides can come to terms knowing how much money they can extract from the business before it kicks the bucket.
- polotics 8y ago
  You wrote: "Germany is carrying half of EU on its shoulders." This statement is ludicrous! There is no prosperity transfer of any kind to poorer states in the EU, and a very clear wealth transfer to the center of the EU. May I suggest you read "And the weak suffer what they must" by Yannis Varoufakis?
hueving 8y ago
>It's a system that provides for the few instead of the many, unlike Germany that provides for the many instead of the few That's a silly argument. US citizens make more on average than German citizens. Both systems provide for the many (with the US arguably providing moreso for that middle of the curve). The problem is the unfortunate people on the left side of the curve who get hit with medical bankruptcy, a loss of industry, etc. Those people get screwed in the US where there is a better safety net in Germany.

baybal2 8y ago

>Want to explain to me how this is even a bad thing? I believe Germany can do even better if they can find ways to reduce the ratio of people in workforce to welfare recipients. Don't forget, we talk about that in the context of EU. Germany is carrying half of EU on its shoulders. >it sounds like the Germans have solidarity for their fellow people/workers and realize everyone should be provided the basics for a peace of mind Doing just "basics for a peace of mind" is doable with not much less, but nevertheless less money. The few developer countries in Asia can show how to do that well. My main criticism is that Germany's welfare is more expensive that that of other countries because not only direct payouts are moderately high, but welfare paid infrastructure and services are taking quite a lot too: lifts for pedestrian overpasses in the middle of nowhere, free transit ticket for people with minimal and non-mobility hampering disabilities, access to free housing (depending on a state) for people with income that qualifies as high in countries just across the border... and on and on Big issue with all extensive welfare systems in the West is that in them, needs of people in need are not being known by people who are entrusted with administering welfare to them. I can easily pull out many example of welfare states where people in need live miserably. When the welfare does not benefit to the person in need, what's use of it? In that case it just becomes wasted money. With all my militant atheism, I can give high mark to welfare administrators in the gulf region. Zakat distribution by mosques is very straightforward, addressing needs of people in need in the most straightforward way. >and overall better workers that can rest and enjoy life outside of work. I believe a professionals can enjoy life even more if they simply get higher salaries. In that context, I believe that German labour councils serve a good role, making people understand that "they can't milk a dead cow." It is very good when both sides can come to terms knowing how much money they can extract from the business before it kicks the bucket.

polotics 8y ago
You wrote: "Germany is carrying half of EU on its shoulders." This statement is ludicrous! There is no prosperity transfer of any kind to poorer states in the EU, and a very clear wealth transfer to the center of the EU. May I suggest you read "And the weak suffer what they must" by Yannis Varoufakis?

hueving 8y ago

>It's a system that provides for the few instead of the many, unlike Germany that provides for the many instead of the few That's a silly argument. US citizens make more on average than German citizens. Both systems provide for the many (with the US arguably providing moreso for that middle of the curve). The problem is the unfortunate people on the left side of the curve who get hit with medical bankruptcy, a loss of industry, etc. Those people get screwed in the US where there is a better safety net in Germany.