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This reminds me of the mid-to-late 90s where everyone made their own window manager. You had the choice of 100s of them. But usually they lost interest after a
by danmg 8y ago
This reminds me of the mid-to-late 90s where everyone made their own window manager. You had the choice of 100s of them. But usually they lost interest after a version or two, and didn't implement much of the icccm.
- the_duke 8y agoicccm?
- hk__2 8y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter-Client_Communication_Conventions_Manual https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter-Client_Communication_Con...
- swiley 8y agoThere still are quite a few that are actively maintained and implement icccm. That's something that bothers me about wayland. There really is a lot of variance when it comes to people's preferences about window decorations and focus behavior and so on. Having the applications handle it themselves is going to result in a lot of lost functionality/configurabilty.
- squiggleblaz 8y agoIt's already dying on X. The new Gnome apps for instance don't respect standard interaction even when the window manager is Gnome. (For instance, if a window has a modal dialog box open, you can't move the window; I think I've also had issues with pushing windows back despite this being a configuration option.) If you use Chromium too, it doesn't respect your settings for where the minimise/maximise/close etc buttons go until you right click somewhere and say "let me forget that your developers think they're so special they have to remind me i'm using your app every time i want to immerse myself". Gnome people will probably say "it's a trivial bug which we will fix shortly". But in reality it's intrinsic to the design. Now instead of picking an application which does its job well and a window manager which does its job well, you have to pick an application which manages its own windows well and does its job well. All because someone thought it's prettier if title bars have menu bars in them.
- danmg 8y agoCommercial linux applications are hands down the worst in this regard. I don't think I've used one yet that look and behaved well in terms of focus/menus/clipboard/events/look-and-feel. Even ones made in QT are statically linked and a different version from the distribution one so it ignores all your preferences (I think that's the reason). The push to make everything electron just means that everyone else is having this problem now.
- swiley 8y agoOk GTK3 is just awfull but no one is taking it seriously and actually building things with it right?