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Whenever I see someone use the word 'leftist' unironically in their opening sentence I just assume that what is coming next is a torrent of ideological rhetoric

Whenever I see someone use the word 'leftist' unironically in their opening sentence I just assume that what is coming next is a torrent of ideological rhetoric with nothing of substance to back it up.

prolikewh0a 8y ago
It's usually not "leftist" anyway, it's just common sense. Workers should have some representation in their workplace since they DO ALL THE WORK. The business simply cannot exist without the workers. Inequality declines as Union membership rises[1], aka worker representation. https://www.epi.org/news/union-membership-declines-inequality-rises/ https://www.epi.org/news/union-membership-declines-inequalit...
- mamon 8y ago
  Workers have a right to get paid for their work, but that’s pretty much it. They don’t have a right to influence company policies because they do not own it. Asking workers for their opinion is just politeness, but not something company necessarily has to do.
  - genericid 8y ago
    By that logic, a monarch's subjects did not have a right to influence kingdom policies because they did not own it.
    - jlawson 8y ago
      A monarch's subjects don't choose to become subjects and they typically can't leave. Workers can choose from many different employers, or become self employed.
      - genericid 8y ago
        So you support a dictatorship as long as it permits emigration? Not that monarchies actually had anything to do with that, serfdom was abolished in most places long before them.
  - prolikewh0a 8y ago
    Get rid of the workers and what do you have? A failed company. The workers are the most important part and without them the business cannot survive. The most important part of the business should have a say in the business.
    - frockington 8y ago
      You would need to replace the disgruntled opinionated workers with workers who were happy with their job. Its a tiny bit more effort but in the end the result would be the same
jakoblorz 8y ago
The discussion about this proposal will be interesting: The groups which call people "leftist" will for sure argue that the economy will be badly impacted by these changes, as they always argue with. Germany in contrast has a rather staggering economical performance for being so "leftist", which reduces the power of the argument. Those groups will then have serious issues argumenting at all (which arguments of the same magnitude are left?). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codetermination_in_Germany#Interests_of_workers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codetermination_in_Germany#Int... I assume that a civilised discussion can still be held in the US.

prolikewh0a 8y ago

It's usually not "leftist" anyway, it's just common sense. Workers should have some representation in their workplace since they DO ALL THE WORK. The business simply cannot exist without the workers. Inequality declines as Union membership rises[1], aka worker representation. https://www.epi.org/news/union-membership-declines-inequality-rises/ https://www.epi.org/news/union-membership-declines-inequalit...

mamon 8y ago
Workers have a right to get paid for their work, but that’s pretty much it. They don’t have a right to influence company policies because they do not own it. Asking workers for their opinion is just politeness, but not something company necessarily has to do.
- genericid 8y ago
  By that logic, a monarch's subjects did not have a right to influence kingdom policies because they did not own it.
  - jlawson 8y ago
    A monarch's subjects don't choose to become subjects and they typically can't leave. Workers can choose from many different employers, or become self employed.
    - genericid 8y ago
      So you support a dictatorship as long as it permits emigration? Not that monarchies actually had anything to do with that, serfdom was abolished in most places long before them.
- prolikewh0a 8y ago
  Get rid of the workers and what do you have? A failed company. The workers are the most important part and without them the business cannot survive. The most important part of the business should have a say in the business.
  - frockington 8y ago
    You would need to replace the disgruntled opinionated workers with workers who were happy with their job. Its a tiny bit more effort but in the end the result would be the same

jakoblorz 8y ago

The discussion about this proposal will be interesting: The groups which call people "leftist" will for sure argue that the economy will be badly impacted by these changes, as they always argue with. Germany in contrast has a rather staggering economical performance for being so "leftist", which reduces the power of the argument. Those groups will then have serious issues argumenting at all (which arguments of the same magnitude are left?). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codetermination_in_Germany#Interests_of_workers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codetermination_in_Germany#Int... I assume that a civilised discussion can still be held in the US.