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Since this article specifically cites Milton Friedman, it seems apropos to consider his son David's point that if workers were interested in owning their firms
by kauffj 8y ago
Since this article specifically cites Milton Friedman, it seems apropos to consider his son David's point that if workers were interested in owning their firms it would be fairly trivial to do.
Excerpt from "The Machinery of Freedom", by David Friedman:
> The socialists who advocate such institutions do object to our present society and would probably object even more to the completely capitalist society that I would like to see develop. They claim that the ownership of the means of production by capitalists instead of by workers is inherently unjust.
> I think they are wrong. Even if they are right, there is no need for them to fight me or anyone else; there is a much easier way to achieve their objective. If a society in which firms are owned by their workers is far more attractive than one in which they are owned by stockholders, let the workers buy the firms. If the workers cannot be convinced to spend their money, it is unlikely that they will be willing to spend their blood.
> How much would it cost workers to purchase their firms? The total value of the shares of all stocks listed on the New York Stock Exchange in 1965 was $537 billion. The total wages and salaries of all private employees that year was $288.5 billion. State and federal income taxes totalled $75.2 billion. If the workers had chosen to live at the consumption standard of hippies, saving half their after-tax incomes, they could have gotten a majority share in every firm in two and a half years and bought the capitalists out, lock, stock, and barrel, in five. That is a substantial cost, but surely it is cheaper than organizing a revolution. Also less of a gamble. And, unlike a revolution, it does not have to be done all at once. The employees of one firm can buy it this decade, then use their profits to help fellow workers buy theirs later.
> When you buy stock, you pay not only for the capital assets of the firm—buildings, machines, inventory, and the like —but also for its experience, reputation, and organization. If workers really can run firms better, these are unnecessary; all they need are the physical assets. Those assets—the net working capital of all corporations in the United States in 1965—totalled $171.7 billion. The workers could buy that much and go into business for themselves with 14 months' worth of savings.
> I do not expect any of this to happen. If workers wanted to be capitalists badly enough to pay that sort of price, many would have done so already.
- hammock 8y agoIf workers overnight started saving half their after-tax income, effectively cutting consumption in half, what would happen to the stock price of these companies though? It would fall - so buying out the companies might take less than five years' savings - that is, if the workers don't get fired as a cost-cutting measure first!
- pjc50 8y ago"If the workers want to be capitalists they should just get the money" is exactly the kind of idiocy that seems to get a pass in right-wing economics.
- dnomad 8y agoThat excerpt was definitely the stupidest fucking thing I've read this week. It's always a bit shocking to see what passes for economic analysis in libertarian circles. It really is just a bunch of old people and wannabees spinning soothing fantasies to each other.
- hammock 8y agoFunnily enough it also sounds like left-wing economics. "Get the money (via taxes and redistribution) to workers so they can act more like capitalists who don't have to work"
- padobson 8y agoThis is, by far, the best comment in this thread. It explains clearly, with simple arithmetic, that Marx's dream is already available to labor via the machinations of capitalism.