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Reminds me of an idea I had a few years ago when the northeast states and provinces like Quebec and Ontario were in the grip of an intense cold snap as a result

Reminds me of an idea I had a few years ago when the northeast states and provinces like Quebec and Ontario were in the grip of an intense cold snap as a result of a "polar vortex". I live near Lake Ontario and the surface of the entire lake froze over to a thickness that would support a transport truck. You probably see where I'm going with this: throw a big party/rave in the middle of the frozen lake. The goal would be to keep it on the Canadian side (where I live) but far enough out into the lake that local police have no jurisdiction - IANAL but my primitive thinking was to see if you could situate it where it would require federal intervention, which seems to me unlikely to materialize in time to stop a party. In any case, we would be in the middle of a very large lake, and I'm not sure that there are any laws preventing throwing a party there in the first place. Naturally, to be a welcoming environment, a party like this would greatly benefit from a huge bonfire, raising concerns about risks that are less likely when you party on dry land, but I thought it was a fun idea...

dalbasal 8y ago
In the late 90s, there were a few "no man's land" raves in places where jurisdiction was ambiguous between Israel and the (then brand new) Palestinian Authority's west bank territories. Neither the israeli army, police or palestinian police wanted to mess with a huge, internationally negotiated agreement for the sake of a party. Around 1999-2000 the "Oslo Process" which created those jurisdictional grey areas collapsed into it's current state, things got violent and the raves ended. Funny how "what's normal" depends on where you're from. Middle Eastern no-mans-land seemed like a cool place for a party, to 16 yo me. Frozen lake in winter seems way to dangerous to even consider. What sort of a lune would go to a frozen lake party?!!
- Jackim 8y ago
  Lots of people in freezing areas of the world do all sorts of things on frozen lakes/water bodies. There are ice roads in Canada's North that are only open when it's cold enough for the water to freeze. Heavy transport trucks use them all the time! And of course there's the hockey/skating and ice fishing.
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  - dalbasal 8y ago
    Madmen. You can run from or fight violence. Can't outrun cold. In my mind, if a lake is that frozen, we're in a war against nature.
    - germinalphrase 8y ago
      I know you’re joking, but you can - you know - literally outrun the feeling of cold in most situations. You’re really cold? Eat. Run. Increase your insulation.
    - bdamm 8y ago
      It's better than being too hot. At least if you're cold you can add clothes. If you're too hot there's a limit to how naked you can get!
  - nashashmi 8y ago
    OT, but what will happen to them after global warming? I guess its not too different than what happens during summer times.
    - Jackim 8y ago
      This is actually a serious problem. Cheap shipping seasons are getting shorter for the remote North [1]. [1] https://www.cbc.ca/radio/day6/episode-335-100-days-of-sean-spicer-disappearing-ice-roads-beatles-live-retro-futurism-at-expo-67-and-more-1.4084549/the-ice-roads-of-northern-canada-are-disappearing-1.4084560 https://www.cbc.ca/radio/day6/episode-335-100-days-of-sean-s...
  - acomjean 8y ago
    I went to Canada's winter carnival a few years back. There is a lot going on but one is a canoe race through the ice choked St. Lawrence river. I recall them wearing spiked shoed to climb over ice flows. I stayed one night in an ice hotel. Absolutely beautiful lit up by LED lights and with ice sculptures. It was pretty cold by my SO couldn't sleep as it was -10f, She said when she closed her eyes she thought, "don't fall asleep, you will freeze", so we bailed. They provide the sleeping bag/liner and instructions (no cotton pajamas etc..) Cold can be very dangerous though, because hyperthermia makes you not think clearly about what to do next. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_Winter_Carnival https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_Winter_Carnival
- jpindar 8y ago
  What is ice fishing but a frozen lake party? https://www.google.com/search?q=ice+fishing+party&source=lnms&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=ice+fishing+party&source=lnm... Some people go all out on the creature comforts: https://www.google.com/search?q=ice+fishing+houses&source=lnms&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=ice+fishing+houses&source=ln...
mokash 8y ago
What kind of music? Please invite me :)
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jbob2000 8y ago
You'd be under the jurisdiction of the Ontario Provincial Police and their marine unit would no doubt ride some snowmobiles out there to find out wtf is going on.
Kagerjay 8y ago
Sounds similar to cruiseships and law jurisdiction, the open seas doesn't follow the same conventions as inland
- nathancahill 8y ago
  Take to the sea!
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marssaxman 8y ago
Every outdoor party needs a huge bonfire! It's part of the ritual. Depending on your definition of "big", you might be able to get around the hot-logs-on-ice problem using propane gas burners - I've been using them for years to get around summertime burn bans and the risk of grass fires. It might not be as romantic as the traditional bonfire, but it's a lot better than nothing and it really helps keep people out on the dance floor all night. I started out with one of these, and the system I'm using now is just a scaled-up version of the same idea: https://www.campingworld.com/portable-propane-outdoor-fire-pit https://www.campingworld.com/portable-propane-outdoor-fire-p... Seems like it might work for a frozen-lake party, since the heat stays up off the ground; you could throw a reflective insulating blanket underneath for even better results.
mikestew 8y ago
The goal would be to keep it on the Canadian side (where I live) but far enough out into the lake that local police have no jurisdiction What do the Canadian police do in the summer when a drunken idiot is terrorizing the populace by riding his jet ski like an ass? "Whelp, out on the water, nuthin' we can do, eh?" I imagine it's like the U. S., where any number of law enforcement agencies have jurisdiction to write tickets and arrest folks. And though IANAL, I don't imagine the physical state of the lake water going from liquid to solid being a factor.
- gscott 8y ago
  Bullets know no jurisdiction. Here in San Diego boarder patrol is happy to shoot over to the Mexican size of the border.
- brett40324 8y ago
  In the US, on lakes, rivers, and intercoastal waterways, you can be charged with DUI if operating a motorized boat while intoxicated.

dalbasal 8y ago

In the late 90s, there were a few "no man's land" raves in places where jurisdiction was ambiguous between Israel and the (then brand new) Palestinian Authority's west bank territories. Neither the israeli army, police or palestinian police wanted to mess with a huge, internationally negotiated agreement for the sake of a party. Around 1999-2000 the "Oslo Process" which created those jurisdictional grey areas collapsed into it's current state, things got violent and the raves ended. Funny how "what's normal" depends on where you're from. Middle Eastern no-mans-land seemed like a cool place for a party, to 16 yo me. Frozen lake in winter seems way to dangerous to even consider. What sort of a lune would go to a frozen lake party?!!

Jackim 8y ago
Lots of people in freezing areas of the world do all sorts of things on frozen lakes/water bodies. There are ice roads in Canada's North that are only open when it's cold enough for the water to freeze. Heavy transport trucks use them all the time! And of course there's the hockey/skating and ice fishing.
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- dalbasal 8y ago
  Madmen. You can run from or fight violence. Can't outrun cold. In my mind, if a lake is that frozen, we're in a war against nature.
  - germinalphrase 8y ago
    I know you’re joking, but you can - you know - literally outrun the feeling of cold in most situations. You’re really cold? Eat. Run. Increase your insulation.
  - bdamm 8y ago
    It's better than being too hot. At least if you're cold you can add clothes. If you're too hot there's a limit to how naked you can get!
- nashashmi 8y ago
  OT, but what will happen to them after global warming? I guess its not too different than what happens during summer times.
  - Jackim 8y ago
    This is actually a serious problem. Cheap shipping seasons are getting shorter for the remote North [1]. [1] https://www.cbc.ca/radio/day6/episode-335-100-days-of-sean-spicer-disappearing-ice-roads-beatles-live-retro-futurism-at-expo-67-and-more-1.4084549/the-ice-roads-of-northern-canada-are-disappearing-1.4084560 https://www.cbc.ca/radio/day6/episode-335-100-days-of-sean-s...
- acomjean 8y ago
  I went to Canada's winter carnival a few years back. There is a lot going on but one is a canoe race through the ice choked St. Lawrence river. I recall them wearing spiked shoed to climb over ice flows. I stayed one night in an ice hotel. Absolutely beautiful lit up by LED lights and with ice sculptures. It was pretty cold by my SO couldn't sleep as it was -10f, She said when she closed her eyes she thought, "don't fall asleep, you will freeze", so we bailed. They provide the sleeping bag/liner and instructions (no cotton pajamas etc..) Cold can be very dangerous though, because hyperthermia makes you not think clearly about what to do next. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_Winter_Carnival https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_Winter_Carnival
jpindar 8y ago
What is ice fishing but a frozen lake party? https://www.google.com/search?q=ice+fishing+party&source=lnms&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=ice+fishing+party&source=lnm... Some people go all out on the creature comforts: https://www.google.com/search?q=ice+fishing+houses&source=lnms&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=ice+fishing+houses&source=ln...

mokash 8y ago

What kind of music? Please invite me :)

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jbob2000 8y ago

You'd be under the jurisdiction of the Ontario Provincial Police and their marine unit would no doubt ride some snowmobiles out there to find out wtf is going on.

Kagerjay 8y ago

Sounds similar to cruiseships and law jurisdiction, the open seas doesn't follow the same conventions as inland

nathancahill 8y ago
Take to the sea!

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marssaxman 8y ago

Every outdoor party needs a huge bonfire! It's part of the ritual. Depending on your definition of "big", you might be able to get around the hot-logs-on-ice problem using propane gas burners - I've been using them for years to get around summertime burn bans and the risk of grass fires. It might not be as romantic as the traditional bonfire, but it's a lot better than nothing and it really helps keep people out on the dance floor all night. I started out with one of these, and the system I'm using now is just a scaled-up version of the same idea: https://www.campingworld.com/portable-propane-outdoor-fire-pit https://www.campingworld.com/portable-propane-outdoor-fire-p... Seems like it might work for a frozen-lake party, since the heat stays up off the ground; you could throw a reflective insulating blanket underneath for even better results.

mikestew 8y ago

The goal would be to keep it on the Canadian side (where I live) but far enough out into the lake that local police have no jurisdiction What do the Canadian police do in the summer when a drunken idiot is terrorizing the populace by riding his jet ski like an ass? "Whelp, out on the water, nuthin' we can do, eh?" I imagine it's like the U. S., where any number of law enforcement agencies have jurisdiction to write tickets and arrest folks. And though IANAL, I don't imagine the physical state of the lake water going from liquid to solid being a factor.

gscott 8y ago
Bullets know no jurisdiction. Here in San Diego boarder patrol is happy to shoot over to the Mexican size of the border.
brett40324 8y ago
In the US, on lakes, rivers, and intercoastal waterways, you can be charged with DUI if operating a motorized boat while intoxicated.