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> Health and tolerance provides creativity for the future. This one is classified bullshit, although I think it makes at least somewhat sense.

akvadrako 8y ago
I think the bullshit part is "for the future". "in the future" would make some sense.
__david__ 8y ago
Howso? I don't see how either health or tolerance is related to creativity… Also why only future creativity?
- foldr 8y ago
  To be fair, it says "for the future", not "only for the future". If I say "these reforms will ensure a clean environment for the next generation", I'm not ruling out the possibility that they'll also do so for the current generation.
- nichtich 8y ago
  Because they imply a safer and longer life and the creativity of dead people are zero. I think it makes some sense.
  - sophistication 8y ago
    There might be slightly positive causal correlations between health and creativity (probably not too strong though because there are lots of mentally deranged successful artists), and, more plausibly, between tolerance and creativity, but that's not enough profundity. It does not give you that "kick" of information gain you get from the profound sentences. It abuses a poetic/proverbial form to only state weak to non-existent causal associations and henceforth it is bullshit.
- ACow_Adonis 8y ago
  As someone who picked out the "two categories" of statements with 100% accuracy before looking at the answers... I think he has a point. Creativity could be proposed to be conditional on maintaining personal well-being (health) while undergoing exposure to many new experiences (tolerance). Losing your health during exposure to new things makes you reactionary and conservative and want to cling to set ideas. Have no tolerance and you won't even want to be exposed to new or uncomfortable experiences in the first place. But if you can maintain your health, and tolerate exposure to new ideas, why the fruit that comes from both those while undergoing continued diverse experiences is presumably creativity (being in the future because you can only get it after said experiences).
  - scns 8y ago
    Many very creative musicians lived very unhealthy lives. Most of them even grew old, some were not so lucky eg Cobain, Hendrix etc
  - watwut 8y ago
    Conterargument is that unhappy creative people exist and are not rare. So does bigoted closed minded creative people. Unhealthy people can also be both creative and non-creative, both cling to one set of ideas or change their minds constantly. Pain makes you more nervous, frustrated, snappy etc, but you can still be creative. Conversely, you can be tolerant and healthy, but still completely non-creative, whether it means generating new ideas or creating things. You can be tolerant, healthy and completely passive.
    - ACow_Adonis 8y ago
      Jesus people, its an attempt at a valid interpretation. I'm not taking a position on the "truthiness" of any of those sentences :P
- newsbinator 8y ago
  It's really hard to be creative if all your attention is pulled by your body failing, impending death, and the inadequacies of everyone and everything around you. It's a lot easier to be a content consumer while in poor physical/mental health than to be a content creator.
  - Broken_Hippo 8y ago
    For some folks, that's true. Others it simply gives a different vibe to their creativity because their mind is pulled to such things.
peteretep 8y ago
Right. Also: > 2. The hidden meaning transforms the abstract beauty. Describes reading the description of an artwork at a Modern Art gallery pretty well
- abbasaamer 8y ago
  Does it? Where is the "transformation" happening? In mind of the viewer?
- sophistication 8y ago
  Modern Art is bullshit.
- ACow_Adonis 8y ago
  That one clearly describes LISP. Lisp has an abstract beauty in that it is a homoiconic language thought up as an intellectual exercise from a small number of basic rules and simple syntax. The hidden meaning, which surprised even its creator at the time that he wrote "RECURSIVE FUNCTIONS OF SYMBOLIC EXPRESSIONS AND THEIR COMPUTATION BY MACHINE", that a mathematical syntax should also be a fully implementable language to get a working interpreter, transforms the original paper into something even more beautiful and amazing than the original abstract beauty of the idea. "The hidden meaning transforms the abstract beauty". Edit: indeed, i think that one can apply to many instances of people who find programming languages and math aesthetically beautiful but also practical :P
  - lispm 8y ago
    > Lisp has an abstract beauty in that it is a homoiconic language thought up as an intellectual exercise from a small number of basic rules and simple syntax. That's the idealistic view. Also LISP was developed over some years, based on earlier languages for list processing (IPL, ...) and similar. The paper 'RECURSIVE FUNCTIONS OF SYMBOLIC EXPRESSIONS AND THEIR COMPUTATION BY MACHINE' was a presentation to a specific (more scientific) audience, while there were earlier and at the same time already 'real' language manuals published, which were concerned with less 'abstract' topics. See for example: http://www.softwarepreservation.org/projects/LISP/MIT/LISP_Prog_Man-Mar_1959.pdf http://www.softwarepreservation.org/projects/LISP/MIT/LISP_P...

akvadrako 8y ago

I think the bullshit part is "for the future". "in the future" would make some sense.

__david__ 8y ago

Howso? I don't see how either health or tolerance is related to creativity… Also why only future creativity?

foldr 8y ago
To be fair, it says "for the future", not "only for the future". If I say "these reforms will ensure a clean environment for the next generation", I'm not ruling out the possibility that they'll also do so for the current generation.
nichtich 8y ago
Because they imply a safer and longer life and the creativity of dead people are zero. I think it makes some sense.
- sophistication 8y ago
  There might be slightly positive causal correlations between health and creativity (probably not too strong though because there are lots of mentally deranged successful artists), and, more plausibly, between tolerance and creativity, but that's not enough profundity. It does not give you that "kick" of information gain you get from the profound sentences. It abuses a poetic/proverbial form to only state weak to non-existent causal associations and henceforth it is bullshit.
ACow_Adonis 8y ago
As someone who picked out the "two categories" of statements with 100% accuracy before looking at the answers... I think he has a point. Creativity could be proposed to be conditional on maintaining personal well-being (health) while undergoing exposure to many new experiences (tolerance). Losing your health during exposure to new things makes you reactionary and conservative and want to cling to set ideas. Have no tolerance and you won't even want to be exposed to new or uncomfortable experiences in the first place. But if you can maintain your health, and tolerate exposure to new ideas, why the fruit that comes from both those while undergoing continued diverse experiences is presumably creativity (being in the future because you can only get it after said experiences).
- scns 8y ago
  Many very creative musicians lived very unhealthy lives. Most of them even grew old, some were not so lucky eg Cobain, Hendrix etc
- watwut 8y ago
  Conterargument is that unhappy creative people exist and are not rare. So does bigoted closed minded creative people. Unhealthy people can also be both creative and non-creative, both cling to one set of ideas or change their minds constantly. Pain makes you more nervous, frustrated, snappy etc, but you can still be creative. Conversely, you can be tolerant and healthy, but still completely non-creative, whether it means generating new ideas or creating things. You can be tolerant, healthy and completely passive.
  - ACow_Adonis 8y ago
    Jesus people, its an attempt at a valid interpretation. I'm not taking a position on the "truthiness" of any of those sentences :P
newsbinator 8y ago
It's really hard to be creative if all your attention is pulled by your body failing, impending death, and the inadequacies of everyone and everything around you. It's a lot easier to be a content consumer while in poor physical/mental health than to be a content creator.
- Broken_Hippo 8y ago
  For some folks, that's true. Others it simply gives a different vibe to their creativity because their mind is pulled to such things.

peteretep 8y ago

Right. Also: > 2. The hidden meaning transforms the abstract beauty. Describes reading the description of an artwork at a Modern Art gallery pretty well

abbasaamer 8y ago
Does it? Where is the "transformation" happening? In mind of the viewer?
sophistication 8y ago
Modern Art is bullshit.
ACow_Adonis 8y ago
That one clearly describes LISP. Lisp has an abstract beauty in that it is a homoiconic language thought up as an intellectual exercise from a small number of basic rules and simple syntax. The hidden meaning, which surprised even its creator at the time that he wrote "RECURSIVE FUNCTIONS OF SYMBOLIC EXPRESSIONS AND THEIR COMPUTATION BY MACHINE", that a mathematical syntax should also be a fully implementable language to get a working interpreter, transforms the original paper into something even more beautiful and amazing than the original abstract beauty of the idea. "The hidden meaning transforms the abstract beauty". Edit: indeed, i think that one can apply to many instances of people who find programming languages and math aesthetically beautiful but also practical :P
- lispm 8y ago
  > Lisp has an abstract beauty in that it is a homoiconic language thought up as an intellectual exercise from a small number of basic rules and simple syntax. That's the idealistic view. Also LISP was developed over some years, based on earlier languages for list processing (IPL, ...) and similar. The paper 'RECURSIVE FUNCTIONS OF SYMBOLIC EXPRESSIONS AND THEIR COMPUTATION BY MACHINE' was a presentation to a specific (more scientific) audience, while there were earlier and at the same time already 'real' language manuals published, which were concerned with less 'abstract' topics. See for example: http://www.softwarepreservation.org/projects/LISP/MIT/LISP_Prog_Man-Mar_1959.pdf http://www.softwarepreservation.org/projects/LISP/MIT/LISP_P...