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> Why wouldn't they get their hands on that? They wouldn't because most of the western democratic countries are now actively preventing China from stealing the

> Why wouldn't they get their hands on that? They wouldn't because most of the western democratic countries are now actively preventing China from stealing their technologies. US with the empowered CFIUS, with the latest defense bill. Germany just prevented 2 key companies from being taken over by China. France drafted anti-takeover measures (aimed at China) amid foreign investment boom. EU is actively seeking to put up united front against Chinese investment by end of year. And yet Sam Altman is just going to give China free knowhow/technologies. > make the lives of chinese citizens better Are you not aware of the sesame credit enacted by the Chinese government? Facial recognition in cameras installed everywhere? Millions of muslims in reeducation camps in Xinjiang? Are you proposing we give this government even more power and innovation?? If anything, the Chinese government can take over a private startup quickly, and use the tech against Silicon Valley companies.

echevil 8y ago
Lol, what makes you think they can’t invent their own
shard972 8y ago
> They wouldn't because most of the western democratic countries are now actively preventing China from stealing their technologies. Thats all kind of small considering the kind of information that has already been dropshiped out with no real punishments to the chinese government itself. All these efforts are is trying to plug the holes, not realizing the holes aren't just company buyouts but mostly espionage via chinese citizens. Even if you lock them up, they still sent the data, nothing was really prevented. > And yet Sam Altman is just going to give China free knowhow/technologies. Yea? Because that's all government and politics. This is markets and profits. > Are you not aware of the sesame credit enacted by the Chinese government? Facial recognition in cameras installed everywhere? Yea alot of people actually like it, being able to get benefits for being an upstanding system. I've heard it described as a system of karma. Besides, we have the same things anyway, credit scores and CCTV, we just have a different cultural view of it. > Millions of muslims in reeducation camps in Xinjiang? And we don't put muslims in jail at higher rates than the native populations? See this just all seems like reflecting the fact that all countries have these issues. > If anything, the Chinese government can take over a private startup quickly, and use the tech against Silicon Valley companies. Maybe, but that's the business risk you take. If they think that's the best way to run their country, what right do we have to tell them they are wrong? Especially when we aren't exactly innocent.
- jumelles 8y ago
  This sort of whataboutism isn't helpful. We have the right to call out human rights abuses; further, I think we have an obligation to use that right lest we lose it. Are you aware that the average citizen in China simply cannot tell their government that it's wrong? It doesn't matter what abuses the US or other Western nations have or haven't done - the PRC is still in the wrong.
  - shard972 8y ago
    > the PRC is still in the wrong Ill just leave it here by saying that to even label something in another culture as "wrong" you first have to understand that the word "wrong" is deeply entrenched in western culture and can't simply just be thrown around at other cultures who have constructed entirely different systems of morality and language to express them.
- varsitywork 8y ago
  > Thats all kind of small considering the kind of information that has already been dropshiped out with no real punishments to the chinese government itself. The western world IS punishing the Chinese government right now. $50B in tariffs and investment restrictions. And it is having an effect on China. Chinese leadership is panicking. Its stock market keeps dropping, its currency weakening, its factories leaving. Wait until the tariffs go up higher and higher. And you make it sound like China has already got all the techs - no it doesn't. Its military at least 2-3 generations behind. It is still far behind in semiconductor technologies, aircraft, engine, hardware, software, operating system, AI, robotics, etc. > we have the same things anyway, credit scores and CCTV The world isn't black and white; it's shades of grey. credit score is not as sesame credit. One can travel/leave the country and one cannot. CCTV is not the same as surveilance/arrest without court of law. > See this just all seems like reflecting the fact that all countries have these issues. Do you seriously not understand the difference between concentration camps for people that have not violated laws, vs prisons? > Especially when we aren't exactly innocent. You don't need to be angelic to stop evil.

echevil 8y ago

Lol, what makes you think they can’t invent their own

shard972 8y ago

> They wouldn't because most of the western democratic countries are now actively preventing China from stealing their technologies. Thats all kind of small considering the kind of information that has already been dropshiped out with no real punishments to the chinese government itself. All these efforts are is trying to plug the holes, not realizing the holes aren't just company buyouts but mostly espionage via chinese citizens. Even if you lock them up, they still sent the data, nothing was really prevented. > And yet Sam Altman is just going to give China free knowhow/technologies. Yea? Because that's all government and politics. This is markets and profits. > Are you not aware of the sesame credit enacted by the Chinese government? Facial recognition in cameras installed everywhere? Yea alot of people actually like it, being able to get benefits for being an upstanding system. I've heard it described as a system of karma. Besides, we have the same things anyway, credit scores and CCTV, we just have a different cultural view of it. > Millions of muslims in reeducation camps in Xinjiang? And we don't put muslims in jail at higher rates than the native populations? See this just all seems like reflecting the fact that all countries have these issues. > If anything, the Chinese government can take over a private startup quickly, and use the tech against Silicon Valley companies. Maybe, but that's the business risk you take. If they think that's the best way to run their country, what right do we have to tell them they are wrong? Especially when we aren't exactly innocent.

jumelles 8y ago
This sort of whataboutism isn't helpful. We have the right to call out human rights abuses; further, I think we have an obligation to use that right lest we lose it. Are you aware that the average citizen in China simply cannot tell their government that it's wrong? It doesn't matter what abuses the US or other Western nations have or haven't done - the PRC is still in the wrong.
- shard972 8y ago
  > the PRC is still in the wrong Ill just leave it here by saying that to even label something in another culture as "wrong" you first have to understand that the word "wrong" is deeply entrenched in western culture and can't simply just be thrown around at other cultures who have constructed entirely different systems of morality and language to express them.
varsitywork 8y ago
> Thats all kind of small considering the kind of information that has already been dropshiped out with no real punishments to the chinese government itself. The western world IS punishing the Chinese government right now. $50B in tariffs and investment restrictions. And it is having an effect on China. Chinese leadership is panicking. Its stock market keeps dropping, its currency weakening, its factories leaving. Wait until the tariffs go up higher and higher. And you make it sound like China has already got all the techs - no it doesn't. Its military at least 2-3 generations behind. It is still far behind in semiconductor technologies, aircraft, engine, hardware, software, operating system, AI, robotics, etc. > we have the same things anyway, credit scores and CCTV The world isn't black and white; it's shades of grey. credit score is not as sesame credit. One can travel/leave the country and one cannot. CCTV is not the same as surveilance/arrest without court of law. > See this just all seems like reflecting the fact that all countries have these issues. Do you seriously not understand the difference between concentration camps for people that have not violated laws, vs prisons? > Especially when we aren't exactly innocent. You don't need to be angelic to stop evil.