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Everyone does steal photoshop except for when it is for business related use. So you have not invalidated my point. Again, don't compare non-web products to we

Everyone does steal photoshop except for when it is for business related use. So you have not invalidated my point. Again, don't compare non-web products to web based. It is vastly different. Yes it is perfectly fine to blame the normal customer for what he wants and what he is willing to pay. I myself have very different tastes than the normal customer. At least faulting the customer makes more sense than blaming the startups that are just doing what makes the most money. The consumers can change their mind about what companies they will make successful but the companies cannot change what the customers desire. No real exit is based around the "magazine business model".

tx 18y ago
Again, don't compare non-web products to web based. It is vastly different. No they aren't. Flickr Pro, Quicken, Mac OSX and the toaster in my kitchen are all exactly the same: I saw them, liked them and paid money to get them. Stop thinking that you're different. First, you aren't. Second, it's not healthy.
- 0x28aa1f185a6b4 18y ago
  You pay money for anything you like regardless of if there is a free version that is just as good in every way?
  - tx 18y ago
    Well, don't build easily reproducible shit then. Become a Photoshop, not Gimp. There isn't anything "as good in every way" as Flickr. And if you give me a crappy toaster as a gift, I'll throw it away and pay for a better one. I don't understand why "web 2.0" entrepreneurs think they're different. I can imagine it may be hard for many to accept that what they do isn't worth a dime in consumers' eyes. Accept it and move on - build something with value, and do it better than the next guy.
    - 0x28aa1f185a6b4 18y ago
      Stop bringing up non-web products. If they are not at all different then you wouldn't have to keep doing that. People would not pay for toasters if you could download them for free. This is getting idiotic.
      - tx 18y ago
        Stop bringing up non-web products. This is getting idiotic. Indeed. You still don't get it.
wanorris 18y ago
> At least faulting the customer makes more sense than blaming the startups that are just doing what makes the most money. The whole idea that you should blame anyone for a startup doing something that makes money is thoroughly pointless. There's nothing to blame anyone for. If you start up a business and you make money, then, in general, you have achieved the goal of starting a business. Who cares if it's making vampire widgets on Facebook or a social network for shortstops? If you're making money you can laugh at critics all the way to the bank.

tx 18y ago

Again, don't compare non-web products to web based. It is vastly different. No they aren't. Flickr Pro, Quicken, Mac OSX and the toaster in my kitchen are all exactly the same: I saw them, liked them and paid money to get them. Stop thinking that you're different. First, you aren't. Second, it's not healthy.

0x28aa1f185a6b4 18y ago
You pay money for anything you like regardless of if there is a free version that is just as good in every way?
- tx 18y ago
  Well, don't build easily reproducible shit then. Become a Photoshop, not Gimp. There isn't anything "as good in every way" as Flickr. And if you give me a crappy toaster as a gift, I'll throw it away and pay for a better one. I don't understand why "web 2.0" entrepreneurs think they're different. I can imagine it may be hard for many to accept that what they do isn't worth a dime in consumers' eyes. Accept it and move on - build something with value, and do it better than the next guy.
  - 0x28aa1f185a6b4 18y ago
    Stop bringing up non-web products. If they are not at all different then you wouldn't have to keep doing that. People would not pay for toasters if you could download them for free. This is getting idiotic.
    - tx 18y ago
      Stop bringing up non-web products. This is getting idiotic. Indeed. You still don't get it.

wanorris 18y ago

> At least faulting the customer makes more sense than blaming the startups that are just doing what makes the most money. The whole idea that you should blame anyone for a startup doing something that makes money is thoroughly pointless. There's nothing to blame anyone for. If you start up a business and you make money, then, in general, you have achieved the goal of starting a business. Who cares if it's making vampire widgets on Facebook or a social network for shortstops? If you're making money you can laugh at critics all the way to the bank.