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Saudi Arabia does all the above things but the US and most of the western world is fine with it. Your statement is hypocrisy at its best. The problem is Cuba do

Saudi Arabia does all the above things but the US and most of the western world is fine with it. Your statement is hypocrisy at its best. The problem is Cuba doesn’t have enough money.

qop 8y ago
Why would you make that point and imply that my opinion matches up just because other people think that way? Saudi politics are possibly more detestable than Cuba. Id have said as much if I figured some clueless HN user would pigeon hole my argument.
qop 8y ago
This is almost a cliche of people who don't know shit shout cuba. They've had an Internet for years with no wifi. They have mechanics that can reliably work on cars from a half century ago. Cuba is a wealth of intelligent engineering minds, plagued by reprehensible Communist rule. Money has never stopped the cuban spirit. It's a disgrace to compare the Cuban spirit to Saudi Arabia.
- gautamdivgi 8y ago
  That was exactly my point. Why single out Cuba for sanctions when the US has normal relations with countries that have sketchier track records.
  - sremani 8y ago
    Cuba is treated different because Cuba is close to HOME. The only time US was close to a nuclear war and main-land invasion was when Cuba gave their enemy a foot hold. I would be mad, if US civilian and military did not treat Cuba or any other Caribbean Island differently from the countries on Eurasian land mass.
    - amaccuish 8y ago
      And Japan did Pearl Harbour, so what? The idea that you apply sanctions for historical reasons is absurd. Further, the US actually tried to invade Cuba (but of course Cuba has no right to feel threatened by the US...)
      - sremani 8y ago
        >> And Japan did Pearl Harbour, so what? Japan did Pearl Harbour .. but you left out Hiroshima and Nagasaki! >> The idea that you apply sanctions for historical reasons is absurd. Cuba was 90 miles away from mainland US in 1960s and in 2018 too. Its not historical, its geographic and geo-political with historic context. US has a harsh embargo on Cuba because it is too close to US. If Cuba was adversarial and is 1000 miles away, the relationship would have been different.
        Symbiote 8y ago
        So why does the US have a harsh embargo on DPRK?
        lordlimecat 8y ago
        I think the point is that Cuba is adversarial in large part because of the US's hostility towards it.
sonnyblarney 8y ago
"but the US and most of the western world is fine with it." This is nonsense. Canada is literally right now in a big huff/dispute with Saudi, and issues of oppression in Saudi Arabia are a constant political issue. Arms sales to Saudi Arabia from Western nations are always contested, always a hot topic. Literally in the Swedish election right now - arms sales to Saudi Arabia are an issue. Saudis can use 'most' of the internet, the country has wealth (luckily) and if they want to they can leave. The oppression in Saudi is hugely based on super social conservative values, which many citizens, even women, actually support in many ways.
- billfruit 8y ago
  Yet Canadians are supplying billions worth of military equipment to Saudi Arabia, and Trudeau has said that he won't be canceling the deal.
- toomanybeersies 8y ago
  > and if they want to they can leave Unless you are a woman and don't have the permission of your father or your husband. Or a migrant labourer who's had their passport confiscated.
isoskeles 8y ago
How is that statement hypocrisy, at its best, wow, when it doesn't mention Saudi Arabia at all? A person could read that comment and have any independent feeling about Saudi Arabia, including wanting sanctions to also exist against Saudi Arabia. So I'm not seeing how hypocrisy is an immediate prerequisite to the comment. It seems more like you wanted to invalidate the comment by bringing up another country that isn't part of the discussion right now and claim hypocrisy.

Saudi Arabia does all the above things but the US and most of the western world is fine with it. Your statement is hypocrisy at its best. The problem is Cuba doesn’t have enough money.

qop 8y ago

Why would you make that point and imply that my opinion matches up just because other people think that way? Saudi politics are possibly more detestable than Cuba. Id have said as much if I figured some clueless HN user would pigeon hole my argument.

qop 8y ago

This is almost a cliche of people who don't know shit shout cuba. They've had an Internet for years with no wifi. They have mechanics that can reliably work on cars from a half century ago. Cuba is a wealth of intelligent engineering minds, plagued by reprehensible Communist rule. Money has never stopped the cuban spirit. It's a disgrace to compare the Cuban spirit to Saudi Arabia.

gautamdivgi 8y ago
That was exactly my point. Why single out Cuba for sanctions when the US has normal relations with countries that have sketchier track records.
- sremani 8y ago
  Cuba is treated different because Cuba is close to HOME. The only time US was close to a nuclear war and main-land invasion was when Cuba gave their enemy a foot hold. I would be mad, if US civilian and military did not treat Cuba or any other Caribbean Island differently from the countries on Eurasian land mass.
  - amaccuish 8y ago
    And Japan did Pearl Harbour, so what? The idea that you apply sanctions for historical reasons is absurd. Further, the US actually tried to invade Cuba (but of course Cuba has no right to feel threatened by the US...)
    - sremani 8y ago
      >> And Japan did Pearl Harbour, so what? Japan did Pearl Harbour .. but you left out Hiroshima and Nagasaki! >> The idea that you apply sanctions for historical reasons is absurd. Cuba was 90 miles away from mainland US in 1960s and in 2018 too. Its not historical, its geographic and geo-political with historic context. US has a harsh embargo on Cuba because it is too close to US. If Cuba was adversarial and is 1000 miles away, the relationship would have been different.
      - Symbiote 8y ago
        So why does the US have a harsh embargo on DPRK?
      - lordlimecat 8y ago
        I think the point is that Cuba is adversarial in large part because of the US's hostility towards it.

sonnyblarney 8y ago

"but the US and most of the western world is fine with it." This is nonsense. Canada is literally right now in a big huff/dispute with Saudi, and issues of oppression in Saudi Arabia are a constant political issue. Arms sales to Saudi Arabia from Western nations are always contested, always a hot topic. Literally in the Swedish election right now - arms sales to Saudi Arabia are an issue. Saudis can use 'most' of the internet, the country has wealth (luckily) and if they want to they can leave. The oppression in Saudi is hugely based on super social conservative values, which many citizens, even women, actually support in many ways.

billfruit 8y ago
Yet Canadians are supplying billions worth of military equipment to Saudi Arabia, and Trudeau has said that he won't be canceling the deal.
toomanybeersies 8y ago
> and if they want to they can leave Unless you are a woman and don't have the permission of your father or your husband. Or a migrant labourer who's had their passport confiscated.

isoskeles 8y ago

How is that statement hypocrisy, at its best, wow, when it doesn't mention Saudi Arabia at all? A person could read that comment and have any independent feeling about Saudi Arabia, including wanting sanctions to also exist against Saudi Arabia. So I'm not seeing how hypocrisy is an immediate prerequisite to the comment. It seems more like you wanted to invalidate the comment by bringing up another country that isn't part of the discussion right now and claim hypocrisy.