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Is there anything specific I'm supposed to feel about her to show my open mind? Seems like a nice enough woman who primarily earned her living selling books. Pu

by moate 8y ago

Is there anything specific I'm supposed to feel about her to show my open mind? Seems like a nice enough woman who primarily earned her living selling books. Public opinion turned on her, she couldn't sell her books, and she's had a rough go of things. Shelters for victims of domestic violence are a public good, and women can be abusive. Not all feminists are nice people, some of them have political agendas that are meant to replace a patriarchy with a matriarchy and her opinions didn't jive with that, so they likely put pressure to silence her voice. I'm still a feminist though, and other than learning one woman's story I genuinely don't understand what was supposed to happen here.

patrickg_zill 8y ago
A woman who started the very first DV shelter in the world, then was ostracized by the entirety of mainstream feminism for stating forbidden truths. This isn't a debate between 2 equal factions, as you've seemed to cast it: it was a Stalinist style purge of all who didn't hold the correct opinions; with the same people who committed the purge, still in control today.
- moate 8y ago
  A group of people did a bad thing to a lady. There were many people in the group and they had more power/agency which they leveraged against this lady for reasons I can only speculate on because I wasn't really alive at the time or invited to the meetings. In all likelihood I wouldn't get along very well with these people. They're part of a group I don't consider myself associating with. I'm still a feminist, and I still don't understand why I can't be a feminist and also believe the story I just told. The fact that "mainstream feminism" ostracized Pizzey has nothing to do with my personal beliefs. I guess I'm not a mainstream feminist? Is this mainstream?: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/01/19/feminism-intersectionality-racism-sexism-class/96633750/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/01/19/feminism-inte... This is pretty close to me. FWIW, I think very few people exist as absolutes but typically shades of grey. IDK what "good" or "bad" people are anymore, just good or bad actions. Promoting equality is something I find to be a good action. That is what I feel feminism represents (or should represent, or represents to me).

by moate 8y ago

patrickg_zill 8y ago

A woman who started the very first DV shelter in the world, then was ostracized by the entirety of mainstream feminism for stating forbidden truths. This isn't a debate between 2 equal factions, as you've seemed to cast it: it was a Stalinist style purge of all who didn't hold the correct opinions; with the same people who committed the purge, still in control today.

moate 8y ago
A group of people did a bad thing to a lady. There were many people in the group and they had more power/agency which they leveraged against this lady for reasons I can only speculate on because I wasn't really alive at the time or invited to the meetings. In all likelihood I wouldn't get along very well with these people. They're part of a group I don't consider myself associating with. I'm still a feminist, and I still don't understand why I can't be a feminist and also believe the story I just told. The fact that "mainstream feminism" ostracized Pizzey has nothing to do with my personal beliefs. I guess I'm not a mainstream feminist? Is this mainstream?: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/01/19/feminism-intersectionality-racism-sexism-class/96633750/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/01/19/feminism-inte... This is pretty close to me. FWIW, I think very few people exist as absolutes but typically shades of grey. IDK what "good" or "bad" people are anymore, just good or bad actions. Promoting equality is something I find to be a good action. That is what I feel feminism represents (or should represent, or represents to me).