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Read up on Erin Pizzey, if you truly have a "logical and open" mind on this subject.

moate 8y ago
Is there anything specific I'm supposed to feel about her to show my open mind? Seems like a nice enough woman who primarily earned her living selling books. Public opinion turned on her, she couldn't sell her books, and she's had a rough go of things. Shelters for victims of domestic violence are a public good, and women can be abusive. Not all feminists are nice people, some of them have political agendas that are meant to replace a patriarchy with a matriarchy and her opinions didn't jive with that, so they likely put pressure to silence her voice. I'm still a feminist though, and other than learning one woman's story I genuinely don't understand what was supposed to happen here.
- patrickg_zill 8y ago
  A woman who started the very first DV shelter in the world, then was ostracized by the entirety of mainstream feminism for stating forbidden truths. This isn't a debate between 2 equal factions, as you've seemed to cast it: it was a Stalinist style purge of all who didn't hold the correct opinions; with the same people who committed the purge, still in control today.
  - moate 8y ago
    A group of people did a bad thing to a lady. There were many people in the group and they had more power/agency which they leveraged against this lady for reasons I can only speculate on because I wasn't really alive at the time or invited to the meetings. In all likelihood I wouldn't get along very well with these people. They're part of a group I don't consider myself associating with. I'm still a feminist, and I still don't understand why I can't be a feminist and also believe the story I just told. The fact that "mainstream feminism" ostracized Pizzey has nothing to do with my personal beliefs. I guess I'm not a mainstream feminist? Is this mainstream?: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/01/19/feminism-intersectionality-racism-sexism-class/96633750/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/01/19/feminism-inte... This is pretty close to me. FWIW, I think very few people exist as absolutes but typically shades of grey. IDK what "good" or "bad" people are anymore, just good or bad actions. Promoting equality is something I find to be a good action. That is what I feel feminism represents (or should represent, or represents to me).

Is there anything specific I'm supposed to feel about her to show my open mind? Seems like a nice enough woman who primarily earned her living selling books. Public opinion turned on her, she couldn't sell her books, and she's had a rough go of things. Shelters for victims of domestic violence are a public good, and women can be abusive. Not all feminists are nice people, some of them have political agendas that are meant to replace a patriarchy with a matriarchy and her opinions didn't jive with that, so they likely put pressure to silence her voice. I'm still a feminist though, and other than learning one woman's story I genuinely don't understand what was supposed to happen here.

patrickg_zill 8y ago
A woman who started the very first DV shelter in the world, then was ostracized by the entirety of mainstream feminism for stating forbidden truths. This isn't a debate between 2 equal factions, as you've seemed to cast it: it was a Stalinist style purge of all who didn't hold the correct opinions; with the same people who committed the purge, still in control today.
- moate 8y ago
  A group of people did a bad thing to a lady. There were many people in the group and they had more power/agency which they leveraged against this lady for reasons I can only speculate on because I wasn't really alive at the time or invited to the meetings. In all likelihood I wouldn't get along very well with these people. They're part of a group I don't consider myself associating with. I'm still a feminist, and I still don't understand why I can't be a feminist and also believe the story I just told. The fact that "mainstream feminism" ostracized Pizzey has nothing to do with my personal beliefs. I guess I'm not a mainstream feminist? Is this mainstream?: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/01/19/feminism-intersectionality-racism-sexism-class/96633750/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/01/19/feminism-inte... This is pretty close to me. FWIW, I think very few people exist as absolutes but typically shades of grey. IDK what "good" or "bad" people are anymore, just good or bad actions. Promoting equality is something I find to be a good action. That is what I feel feminism represents (or should represent, or represents to me).