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They don't mention immune system cells specifically, but they do say vaping is still much less harmful > However, Public Health England advises they are much l

by k_ 8y ago

They don't mention immune system cells specifically, but they do say vaping is still much less harmful > However, Public Health England advises they are much less harmful than smoking and people should not hesitate to use them as an aid to giving up cigarettes. - What annoys me, though, is that while cigarettes are banned on most public places here (in France), people tend to use e-cigarette anywhere from work (open space) to transports, restaurants, bars, etc. If they can't stop smoking, it seems to be better for them to be "vaping", but they should stop forcing us to endure their chemicals (although I'm not sure if this can be toxic for people around - but that's more or less the point too: we don't really know what it does to our body, so it shouldn't be allowed everywhere). We've already fought cigarettes (well, I'm an ex smoker so I shouldn't really say "we" here), we shouldn't have to start over again for another form of smoking.

nbar1 8y ago
>The review concluded there was "overwhelming evidence" they were far safer than smoking and "of negligible risk to bystanders"
- onemoresoop 8y ago
  Remember the days when people were smoking in offices, univs, hospitals, etc? Vaping is 100x less disgusting, less harmful. I see people vaping and it doesn't smell, they don't leave ashes and butts everywhere and it doesn't bother me at all. The second hand nicotine vapor is not "a thing" unless you go to a room where a visible cloud of e-cigs vapor is present. I think we are much better off with people vaping than smoking. The only problem is that kids might start vaping because a lot of these juices are fruit flavored.
  - k_ 8y ago
    There are e-cigs that do smell, the one in my previous company "vaping" in the open space used some kind of flavor that had a strong [unpleasant] smell, even over 5 meters away. Overall it's a great improvement. I just hope this improvement doesn't come with regressions (more [e-]smokers, especially in public areas and maybe in newer generations) precisely because it is so great an improvement.
    - onemoresoop 8y ago
      You're absolutely right and those are somewhat bothersome. Also there are some units, the bigger ones I've noticed, that have the ability to create a thick dense cloud of vapor as if an invoked spirit is about to materialize into Alladin. These are not cool at all. At the same time i saw small electronic cigarettes that people use discretely and I think that's a big win to the old nasty and stinky analog cigarettes.
- Retric 8y ago
  negligible != to zero. I don't think people have the right to harm others in the work place, so a ban is still appropriate.
jacobolus 8y ago
Can we get automobiles to stop driving in our public spaces too? Those are orders of magnitude worse than second-hand “chemicals” (VOCs?) from someone vaping. While we are at it, let’s get rid of perfumes, deodorants, and body sprays. Also air fresheners and scented candles, pesticides, furniture flame retardants, dry-cleaned suits, many cleaning products, white-board markers, permanent markers, and everything else that off-gasses “chemicals”.

by k_ 8y ago

nbar1 8y ago

>The review concluded there was "overwhelming evidence" they were far safer than smoking and "of negligible risk to bystanders"

onemoresoop 8y ago
Remember the days when people were smoking in offices, univs, hospitals, etc? Vaping is 100x less disgusting, less harmful. I see people vaping and it doesn't smell, they don't leave ashes and butts everywhere and it doesn't bother me at all. The second hand nicotine vapor is not "a thing" unless you go to a room where a visible cloud of e-cigs vapor is present. I think we are much better off with people vaping than smoking. The only problem is that kids might start vaping because a lot of these juices are fruit flavored.
- k_ 8y ago
  There are e-cigs that do smell, the one in my previous company "vaping" in the open space used some kind of flavor that had a strong [unpleasant] smell, even over 5 meters away. Overall it's a great improvement. I just hope this improvement doesn't come with regressions (more [e-]smokers, especially in public areas and maybe in newer generations) precisely because it is so great an improvement.
  - onemoresoop 8y ago
    You're absolutely right and those are somewhat bothersome. Also there are some units, the bigger ones I've noticed, that have the ability to create a thick dense cloud of vapor as if an invoked spirit is about to materialize into Alladin. These are not cool at all. At the same time i saw small electronic cigarettes that people use discretely and I think that's a big win to the old nasty and stinky analog cigarettes.
Retric 8y ago
negligible != to zero. I don't think people have the right to harm others in the work place, so a ban is still appropriate.

jacobolus 8y ago

Can we get automobiles to stop driving in our public spaces too? Those are orders of magnitude worse than second-hand “chemicals” (VOCs?) from someone vaping. While we are at it, let’s get rid of perfumes, deodorants, and body sprays. Also air fresheners and scented candles, pesticides, furniture flame retardants, dry-cleaned suits, many cleaning products, white-board markers, permanent markers, and everything else that off-gasses “chemicals”.