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More than smoking damages it?

• lainga 8y ago
  No, according to TFA, but I don't see how that's relevant.
  • dopamean 8y ago
    From what I understand, some people have switched from smoking to vaping. Harm reduction and whatnot. Seems bit relevant no?
    • lainga 8y ago
      It's a good phenomenon, but it has nothing to do with the health effects of vaping. Bringing it up just muddles the waters. If a bunch of people switched from crack cocaine to cigarettes, would that warrant bringing it up every time a study came out about tobacco-related cancer?
      • rsynnott 8y ago
        A bit different, in that the primary use of e-cigarettes is for giving up proper cigarettes. So the fact that they're still considered preferable to real cigarettes is relevant.
        • moate 8y ago
          The primary use of e-cigarettes/vapes is ingesting nicotine. Some people used e-cigarettes as a cessation aid. There are tons of young people who are growing up having never smoked cigarettes and who went directly to vaping. Their choice wasn't exactly "cigarettes or vape" it was "vape or not vape".
        • lainga 8y ago
          Not among my age cohort, many of whom have never encountered cigarettes.
        • criddell 8y ago
          > the primary use of e-cigarettes is for giving up proper cigarettes What makes you think that? Juul didn't get it's crazy valuation because of old smokers. People that care more about money than lives are putting money into it because they are hooking teens.
    • criddell 8y ago
      I think your age might go into how relevant you think it is. I grew up with and around a lot of smokers. My teenaged kids are surrounded by people vaping. To me the relative harm seems relevant, to them it probably isn't.
• k_ 8y ago
  They don't mention immune system cells specifically, but they do say vaping is still much less harmful > However, Public Health England advises they are much less harmful than smoking and people should not hesitate to use them as an aid to giving up cigarettes. - What annoys me, though, is that while cigarettes are banned on most public places here (in France), people tend to use e-cigarette anywhere from work (open space) to transports, restaurants, bars, etc. If they can't stop smoking, it seems to be better for them to be "vaping", but they should stop forcing us to endure their chemicals (although I'm not sure if this can be toxic for people around - but that's more or less the point too: we don't really know what it does to our body, so it shouldn't be allowed everywhere). We've already fought cigarettes (well, I'm an ex smoker so I shouldn't really say "we" here), we shouldn't have to start over again for another form of smoking.
  • nbar1 8y ago
    >The review concluded there was "overwhelming evidence" they were far safer than smoking and "of negligible risk to bystanders"
    • onemoresoop 8y ago
      Remember the days when people were smoking in offices, univs, hospitals, etc? Vaping is 100x less disgusting, less harmful. I see people vaping and it doesn't smell, they don't leave ashes and butts everywhere and it doesn't bother me at all. The second hand nicotine vapor is not "a thing" unless you go to a room where a visible cloud of e-cigs vapor is present. I think we are much better off with people vaping than smoking. The only problem is that kids might start vaping because a lot of these juices are fruit flavored.
      • k_ 8y ago
        There are e-cigs that do smell, the one in my previous company "vaping" in the open space used some kind of flavor that had a strong [unpleasant] smell, even over 5 meters away. Overall it's a great improvement. I just hope this improvement doesn't come with regressions (more [e-]smokers, especially in public areas and maybe in newer generations) precisely because it is so great an improvement.