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What is most interesting about this is the geopolitics surrounding this. The US stance appears to be pushing Turkey closer to Russia. [1] 1. https://www.bloomb

What is most interesting about this is the geopolitics surrounding this. The US stance appears to be pushing Turkey closer to Russia. [1] 1. https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-08-14/erdogan-is-making-some-worrying-new-friends https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-08-14/erdogan-i...

lainga 8y ago
I see them emerging as Russia's Italy - look at how Germany and Italy treated each other in 1934 vs. 1938.
onetimemanytime 8y ago
Turkey can't change geography. They have to deal with Russia since Russia has interests in the region and a long, long history there. They also have to deal with Iran, Turkey can't start trouble with Iran each time USA /EU decide to. In the end, US /EU can cut a deal and Turkey remains on horrible terms with a neighbor. Russia is a bad, bad partner. They have no money (compared to the West) and really no tech. They have cool weapons and oil though but are unreliable there too...
- Steve44 8y ago
  They also have a 'lively' border with Syria to add to their concerns.
  - Scea91 8y ago
    I am not sure how much they see the border with Syria as a concern or an opportunity to expand. Isn't Turkey currently occupying Syrian land?
    - ax0ar 8y ago
      Depends on whether you consider Daesh and YPG the owners of Syria. While Europe went crazy not to take in more than a few hundred thousand refugees who were desperately trying to escape death, Erdoğan accepted more than 3 million although many Turks didn't want them. I think the primary thing that counts here is that the lives of the millions of people are now saved.
      - the_grue 8y ago
        > Depends on whether you consider Daesh and YPG the owners of Syria. Is Erdogan the owner of Turkey or are Turks the owners of Turkey? Are Kurds the owners of Kurdistan or are YPG or Assad or Daesh or Erdogan the owners of Kurdistan?
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maxxxxx 8y ago
Turkey has always been the bridge to the Middle East. I think it would be a big loss to lose that.
- ng12 8y ago
  Well, since 1453.
  - maxxxxx 8y ago
    What happened in 1453?
    - acchow 8y ago
      The fall of Constantinople.
      - maxxxxx 8y ago
        Gotta read up some history it seems. Thanks!
- beerlord 8y ago
  Or perhaps we can finally disentangle ourselves from that region with an electrified vehicle fleet?

lainga 8y ago

I see them emerging as Russia's Italy - look at how Germany and Italy treated each other in 1934 vs. 1938.

onetimemanytime 8y ago

Turkey can't change geography. They have to deal with Russia since Russia has interests in the region and a long, long history there. They also have to deal with Iran, Turkey can't start trouble with Iran each time USA /EU decide to. In the end, US /EU can cut a deal and Turkey remains on horrible terms with a neighbor. Russia is a bad, bad partner. They have no money (compared to the West) and really no tech. They have cool weapons and oil though but are unreliable there too...

Steve44 8y ago
They also have a 'lively' border with Syria to add to their concerns.
- Scea91 8y ago
  I am not sure how much they see the border with Syria as a concern or an opportunity to expand. Isn't Turkey currently occupying Syrian land?
  - ax0ar 8y ago
    Depends on whether you consider Daesh and YPG the owners of Syria. While Europe went crazy not to take in more than a few hundred thousand refugees who were desperately trying to escape death, Erdoğan accepted more than 3 million although many Turks didn't want them. I think the primary thing that counts here is that the lives of the millions of people are now saved.
    - the_grue 8y ago
      > Depends on whether you consider Daesh and YPG the owners of Syria. Is Erdogan the owner of Turkey or are Turks the owners of Turkey? Are Kurds the owners of Kurdistan or are YPG or Assad or Daesh or Erdogan the owners of Kurdistan?

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maxxxxx 8y ago

Turkey has always been the bridge to the Middle East. I think it would be a big loss to lose that.

ng12 8y ago
Well, since 1453.
- maxxxxx 8y ago
  What happened in 1453?
  - acchow 8y ago
    The fall of Constantinople.
    - maxxxxx 8y ago
      Gotta read up some history it seems. Thanks!
beerlord 8y ago
Or perhaps we can finally disentangle ourselves from that region with an electrified vehicle fleet?