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As an American, I would raise hell if a hotel owner searched my room for no reason.

by s3cur3 8y ago

jsjohnst 8y ago
You are on their property. If you refuse, you’ll be forced to leave. Does that make what they did ethical, no, but it’s 100% within their legal rights. Same goes if I was a guest at your house, even if I was paying to stay there.
- ectospheno 8y ago
  You'll find that once you accept payment for them staying there your rights are curtailed depending on which state you live in. Your blanket statement isn't even close to true in quite a few places inside the US.
  - jsjohnst 8y ago
    Citation needed (I was stating my opinion, you are the one claiming I am factually wrong and not providing any proof, further a quick google search proves I was correct in my statement too based on reputable legal sites)
    - ectospheno 8y ago
      Sure. As I mentioned this varies by state. I'm not going to google all 50 states for you despite your apparent need for me to. The original article was concerning Nevada I believe. Here is a link for Nevada. http://www.loving.lawyer/blog/2016/8/23/think-twice-before-kicking-out-your-houseguest http://www.loving.lawyer/blog/2016/8/23/think-twice-before-k... Again. This varies quite a bit by state.
      - jsjohnst 8y ago
        As I suspected and why I said citation needed, you went on an irrelevant tangent into tenancy law. How does that link negate anything I said? If I had said “I could force you to leave my home immediately”, yes, that link would sorta apply, but I didn’t (evicting you via the courts is “force you to leave”). The conversation is specifically around your right to privacy when staying at property you don’t own. Yes, fourth amendment would prevent the property owner from letting police in under many (but not all) circumstances, but there is virtually no law preventing them from “violating your privacy” entering at their will. The laws that do apply generally only dictate notice periods, and even in those cases they have exceptions for emergencies, which ensuring security when they feel there is a credible risk qualifies. Again, shady as hell ethically what they did and how they did it, but still very legal.
- CaptSpify 8y ago
  Just because it is legal does not mean I am not allowed to raise hell
  - jsjohnst 8y ago
    Of course, you are definitely right you can raise hell, but that doesn't mean my statement is wrong at all either.

As an American, I would raise hell if a hotel owner searched my room for no reason.

by s3cur3 8y ago

As an American, I would raise hell if a hotel owner searched my room for no reason.

You are on their property. If you refuse, you’ll be forced to leave. Does that make what they did ethical, no, but it’s 100% within their legal rights. Same goes if I was a guest at your house, even if I was paying to stay there.

ectospheno 8y ago
You'll find that once you accept payment for them staying there your rights are curtailed depending on which state you live in. Your blanket statement isn't even close to true in quite a few places inside the US.
- jsjohnst 8y ago
  Citation needed (I was stating my opinion, you are the one claiming I am factually wrong and not providing any proof, further a quick google search proves I was correct in my statement too based on reputable legal sites)
  - ectospheno 8y ago
    Sure. As I mentioned this varies by state. I'm not going to google all 50 states for you despite your apparent need for me to. The original article was concerning Nevada I believe. Here is a link for Nevada. http://www.loving.lawyer/blog/2016/8/23/think-twice-before-kicking-out-your-houseguest http://www.loving.lawyer/blog/2016/8/23/think-twice-before-k... Again. This varies quite a bit by state.
    - jsjohnst 8y ago
      As I suspected and why I said citation needed, you went on an irrelevant tangent into tenancy law. How does that link negate anything I said? If I had said “I could force you to leave my home immediately”, yes, that link would sorta apply, but I didn’t (evicting you via the courts is “force you to leave”). The conversation is specifically around your right to privacy when staying at property you don’t own. Yes, fourth amendment would prevent the property owner from letting police in under many (but not all) circumstances, but there is virtually no law preventing them from “violating your privacy” entering at their will. The laws that do apply generally only dictate notice periods, and even in those cases they have exceptions for emergencies, which ensuring security when they feel there is a credible risk qualifies. Again, shady as hell ethically what they did and how they did it, but still very legal.
CaptSpify 8y ago
Just because it is legal does not mean I am not allowed to raise hell
- jsjohnst 8y ago
  Of course, you are definitely right you can raise hell, but that doesn't mean my statement is wrong at all either.