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> Which makes their actions less evil than the article implies. And accusing the mother of having a history of mental illness in an attempt to get conservators

> Which makes their actions less evil than the article implies. And accusing the mother of having a history of mental illness in an attempt to get conservatorship when no such history exists? Sounds pretty damned evil to me. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Even if they had their patient's best interests at heart, that doesn't excuse what they did.

JoeAltmaier 8y ago
We don't have any information on the parents at all. I know its good to give parents the benefit of the doubt, but these people could have been ignorant, suspicious and contrary. Or 100 other things, that make a trained physician wary of trusting them with anything as important as a critically ill patient.
- ars 8y ago
  > We don't have any information on the parents at all. I'm not sure what you read, but there is plenty of information about the parents. They are quoted, they have videos, they have facebook posts. There is no reason to see them as mentally incompetent. > could have been ignorant, suspicious and contrary. Makes no difference. They have the right to stop medical treatment whenever they want. They have the right to leave the hospital and take their daughter whenever they want. Not to mention the patient was over 18 and wanted to leave, and the hospital didn't let them. > wary of trusting them with anything as important as a critically ill patient. Too bad. Then you explain to them how to help her. The hospital has no legal right to hold someone prisoner.
- lylecubed 8y ago
  > these people could have been ignorant, suspicious and contrary So if they were "suspicious" the hospital is justified in committing kidnapping, even after being turned down for conservatorship by two judges?
- jessaustin 8y ago
  This episode didn't happen yesterday. The patient has since recovered, attended and graduated from high school, and enrolled in college. She is as competent to make health care decisions as any other 20yo. She is glad that her parents helped her escape, because she got better care that led to her recovery at a different hospital. She was clearly not critically ill, because she arrived at that hospital in a different state in fine shape. We consider the medical judgments of trained physicians (the untrained ones, not so much...) but only until they are clearly contradicted by reality. Properly understood, the duty of physicians is also to serve those patients who are "ignorant, suspicious and contrary". They are also humans with dignity and autonomy.

JoeAltmaier 8y ago

We don't have any information on the parents at all. I know its good to give parents the benefit of the doubt, but these people could have been ignorant, suspicious and contrary. Or 100 other things, that make a trained physician wary of trusting them with anything as important as a critically ill patient.

ars 8y ago
> We don't have any information on the parents at all. I'm not sure what you read, but there is plenty of information about the parents. They are quoted, they have videos, they have facebook posts. There is no reason to see them as mentally incompetent. > could have been ignorant, suspicious and contrary. Makes no difference. They have the right to stop medical treatment whenever they want. They have the right to leave the hospital and take their daughter whenever they want. Not to mention the patient was over 18 and wanted to leave, and the hospital didn't let them. > wary of trusting them with anything as important as a critically ill patient. Too bad. Then you explain to them how to help her. The hospital has no legal right to hold someone prisoner.
lylecubed 8y ago
> these people could have been ignorant, suspicious and contrary So if they were "suspicious" the hospital is justified in committing kidnapping, even after being turned down for conservatorship by two judges?
jessaustin 8y ago
This episode didn't happen yesterday. The patient has since recovered, attended and graduated from high school, and enrolled in college. She is as competent to make health care decisions as any other 20yo. She is glad that her parents helped her escape, because she got better care that led to her recovery at a different hospital. She was clearly not critically ill, because she arrived at that hospital in a different state in fine shape. We consider the medical judgments of trained physicians (the untrained ones, not so much...) but only until they are clearly contradicted by reality. Properly understood, the duty of physicians is also to serve those patients who are "ignorant, suspicious and contrary". They are also humans with dignity and autonomy.