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Okay hardly anyone on this thread of 84 comments is even discussing the article. Half the comments are just people going back and forth about the Vegas shooting

Okay hardly anyone on this thread of 84 comments is even discussing the article. Half the comments are just people going back and forth about the Vegas shooting. What this hotel(s) did was unacceptable. I hope some lawsuits come out of it for the more egregious violations. No one was worried about some hackers going off the deep end, this was a heavy handed display of power over guests. I'm surprised none of the intruders had guns drawn on them. These were unidentifiable goons seemingly breaking into rooms. DEFCON is the most important security event of the year, I do hope there is a boycott after this event and all of these hotels are blacklisted by the security community.

walterbell 8y ago
https://www.the-parallax.com/2018/08/12/vegas-hotel-room-security-privacy-defcon/ https://www.the-parallax.com/2018/08/12/vegas-hotel-room-sec... "In a statement released to reporters, Caesars says DefCon organizers were informed before the conference of the new policy ... .. Marc Rogers, DefCon’s head of SecOps and vice president of cybersecurity strategy for identity management company Okta, said the conference is aware of the room problems and is working with Caesars on reducing conflicts for next year. “These changes represent the new reality that all hotels have to face in their work to keep guests safe,” he said at the conference’s closing ceremony Sunday. Caesars is “working closely with DefCon management to figure out the best way forward for next year.” Some DefCon attendees are claiming on Twitter that they will refuse to attend the conference next year, if it returns to Las Vegas. Of the more than 1,650 votes in response to an informal poll started by Twitter user @notdan, a security researcher at a tech company in the San Francisco Bay Area who requested anonymity, 35 percent said they would not return to DefCon over room privacy concerns ... Moussouris emphasized a similar concern: that hotel room privacy is of paramount importance, especially for female travelers. “No matter whether DefCon moves or stays put, all hotels should have basic protocols for allowing any guest to easily authenticate a supposed hotel employee,” she wrote."
- deadbunny 8y ago
  > “These changes represent the new reality that all hotels have to face in their work to keep guests safe,” "Now we have an excuse to violate your privacy and steal your shit we're going to take it and make you accept it".
  - sky_rw 8y ago
    That logic has worked for the TSA going on 17 years now.
    - deadbunny 8y ago
      I don't have a viable alternative for flying 99% of the time, I do for hotels.
  - Mirioron 8y ago
    At some point hotel employees will start "taking advantage" of this policy by stealing stuff and other even more malicious things. It doesn't look good.
- betterunix2 8y ago
  Why work with the hotel to reduce problems next year, when you could just hold the event elsewhere? Conferences move from time to time, and this seems like a pretty solid reason to do so. What does DEF CON owe to any of these hotels that should make them want to return next year?
- godelski 8y ago
  In a gathering with many of the top social engineers nothing went wrong and there was zero possibility that a social engineer exploited this security and impersonated it's personnel to hack other attendees... /s Maybe the best way to deal with this would be to make fun of and exploit security theatre.
- Mirioron 8y ago
  I agree with their stance, but why do women get emphasized in this situation? Isn't it equally as unacceptable when a man gets a "security check" in the middle of the night by multiple people? But the whole thing seems like security theater to me. There's no way this is going to prevent anything other than people actually going to those hotels.

walterbell 8y ago

https://www.the-parallax.com/2018/08/12/vegas-hotel-room-security-privacy-defcon/ https://www.the-parallax.com/2018/08/12/vegas-hotel-room-sec... "In a statement released to reporters, Caesars says DefCon organizers were informed before the conference of the new policy ... .. Marc Rogers, DefCon’s head of SecOps and vice president of cybersecurity strategy for identity management company Okta, said the conference is aware of the room problems and is working with Caesars on reducing conflicts for next year. “These changes represent the new reality that all hotels have to face in their work to keep guests safe,” he said at the conference’s closing ceremony Sunday. Caesars is “working closely with DefCon management to figure out the best way forward for next year.” Some DefCon attendees are claiming on Twitter that they will refuse to attend the conference next year, if it returns to Las Vegas. Of the more than 1,650 votes in response to an informal poll started by Twitter user @notdan, a security researcher at a tech company in the San Francisco Bay Area who requested anonymity, 35 percent said they would not return to DefCon over room privacy concerns ... Moussouris emphasized a similar concern: that hotel room privacy is of paramount importance, especially for female travelers. “No matter whether DefCon moves or stays put, all hotels should have basic protocols for allowing any guest to easily authenticate a supposed hotel employee,” she wrote."

deadbunny 8y ago
> “These changes represent the new reality that all hotels have to face in their work to keep guests safe,” "Now we have an excuse to violate your privacy and steal your shit we're going to take it and make you accept it".
- sky_rw 8y ago
  That logic has worked for the TSA going on 17 years now.
  - deadbunny 8y ago
    I don't have a viable alternative for flying 99% of the time, I do for hotels.
- Mirioron 8y ago
  At some point hotel employees will start "taking advantage" of this policy by stealing stuff and other even more malicious things. It doesn't look good.
betterunix2 8y ago
Why work with the hotel to reduce problems next year, when you could just hold the event elsewhere? Conferences move from time to time, and this seems like a pretty solid reason to do so. What does DEF CON owe to any of these hotels that should make them want to return next year?
godelski 8y ago
In a gathering with many of the top social engineers nothing went wrong and there was zero possibility that a social engineer exploited this security and impersonated it's personnel to hack other attendees... /s Maybe the best way to deal with this would be to make fun of and exploit security theatre.
Mirioron 8y ago
I agree with their stance, but why do women get emphasized in this situation? Isn't it equally as unacceptable when a man gets a "security check" in the middle of the night by multiple people? But the whole thing seems like security theater to me. There's no way this is going to prevent anything other than people actually going to those hotels.