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Given the obesity problems in the US, the low-carb/keto suggestions are effectively the same as the premature optimization/bike shedding issues with coding. If

Given the obesity problems in the US, the low-carb/keto suggestions are effectively the same as the premature optimization/bike shedding issues with coding. If you're eating 1,000 calories too much, it doesn't matter if it's carbs or protein. Get the calories-in-calories-out balance correct, then you can start worrying about the macro nutrition afterwards. If I recall correctly, the sugar toxicity problems occur when you don't burn them.

nonbel 8y ago
This is opposite of the productive approach. The starting point should be "what diet can you eat that makes you feel satisfied after the appropriate amount of calories for your body/lifestyle". The proportion of carbs in the diet seems to have a huge effect on appetite for many people. For them, eating fewer carbs means they are satisfied after fewer calories, so they eat less and lose weight. If nutrition research was scientific they would have figured this out before a couple authors and random people with blogs did.
- appleiigs 8y ago
  Veggies and fruit are carbs. I replaced pasta and white rice with oatmeal, cabbage and apples. All of above are all carbs. Not all carbs are equal. I feel fully satisfied with less calories now. I can eat 4 cups of rice in one sitting without realizing it, but not 4 apples. Saying replace pasta with eggs and bacon is not better than suggesting more veggies and fruits. Regarding the approach, I found it easiest to know my goal weight has a maintenance calories of 2,100 calories - an objective, hard number. Hit that, then adjust diet for the very subjective goal of being feeling satisfied after that. I can't imagine an effective public health policy based on subjective "do you feel full?"
  - nonbel 8y ago
    1) You seem to think you are disagreeing with me, but I never said everyone was the same. I said the point is to find a diet where you feel satisfied without consuming too many calories. Some people might love sugar too much and need to cut down on something else (eg fat) instead, or they simply need to exercise more via getting a different job, etc. 2) Pretty sure pasta and white rice will have a higher density of carbs than eg cabbage and apples. From a random site (feel free to find a better source) in grams of carbs per cup of food: oatmeal = 29.3 g cabbage = 5.2 g apples = 17.3 g rice = 44.5 g pasta = 42.8 g 3) "I can't imaging an effective public health policy based on subjective "do you feel full?". I don't see what the problem would be, but whatever. These nutritional public health policies have all been awful, no one should be listening to them anyway. Refs: http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/breakfast-cereals/1600/2 http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/breakfast-cereals/1600/2 http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/2371/2 http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable... http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/5712/2 http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/... http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fruits-and-fruit-juices/1809/2 http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fruits-and-fruit-juices/... http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/5798/2 http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/...

nonbel 8y ago

This is opposite of the productive approach. The starting point should be "what diet can you eat that makes you feel satisfied after the appropriate amount of calories for your body/lifestyle". The proportion of carbs in the diet seems to have a huge effect on appetite for many people. For them, eating fewer carbs means they are satisfied after fewer calories, so they eat less and lose weight. If nutrition research was scientific they would have figured this out before a couple authors and random people with blogs did.

appleiigs 8y ago
Veggies and fruit are carbs. I replaced pasta and white rice with oatmeal, cabbage and apples. All of above are all carbs. Not all carbs are equal. I feel fully satisfied with less calories now. I can eat 4 cups of rice in one sitting without realizing it, but not 4 apples. Saying replace pasta with eggs and bacon is not better than suggesting more veggies and fruits. Regarding the approach, I found it easiest to know my goal weight has a maintenance calories of 2,100 calories - an objective, hard number. Hit that, then adjust diet for the very subjective goal of being feeling satisfied after that. I can't imagine an effective public health policy based on subjective "do you feel full?"
- nonbel 8y ago
  1) You seem to think you are disagreeing with me, but I never said everyone was the same. I said the point is to find a diet where you feel satisfied without consuming too many calories. Some people might love sugar too much and need to cut down on something else (eg fat) instead, or they simply need to exercise more via getting a different job, etc. 2) Pretty sure pasta and white rice will have a higher density of carbs than eg cabbage and apples. From a random site (feel free to find a better source) in grams of carbs per cup of food: oatmeal = 29.3 g cabbage = 5.2 g apples = 17.3 g rice = 44.5 g pasta = 42.8 g 3) "I can't imaging an effective public health policy based on subjective "do you feel full?". I don't see what the problem would be, but whatever. These nutritional public health policies have all been awful, no one should be listening to them anyway. Refs: http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/breakfast-cereals/1600/2 http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/breakfast-cereals/1600/2 http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/2371/2 http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable... http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/5712/2 http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/... http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fruits-and-fruit-juices/1809/2 http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fruits-and-fruit-juices/... http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/5798/2 http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/...