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Only people who are not served by better programs will spend time picking up cans for recycling value. I can simultaneously want to make sure that nobody goes

by dsr_ 8y ago

Only people who are not served by better programs will spend time picking up cans for recycling value. I can simultaneously want to make sure that nobody goes hungry or homeless, and still recognize that we aren't doing that today, so in the meantime having that recycling income available is better than not having it.

closeparen 8y ago
This is exactly the neoliberal argument against labor protections in general. People would obtain jobs with dignified pay & benefits if they could. Having an option that seems exploitative is better than having no options. Thus, imposing minimum standards on the work that can be offered is harmful. Pursue other, better mechanisms to boost and lower-bound standards of living (economic growth, negative income tax). In the meantime, don't stand in the way of mutually beneficial transactions. This is a right-wing, Milton Friedman worldview. The left (pretty much by definition as "the left") emphatically rejects these arguments with respect to flipping burgers, running a cash register, or delivering groceries. What's special about picking up glass bottles?
- dsr_ 8y ago
  I will vote for a minimum wage. I will vote for a minimum wage with an automatic update based on any reasonable measure of inflation. I will vote for a basic income. I will vote for much higher and much more progressive income taxes. I will vote for a wealth tax. I will vote for stronger unions. I will vote for better anti-corruption measures across the board, for companies and unions and governments. And I will not vote to remove recycling deposits because you think that it's somehow exploiting poor people to let them get a little money.
coldtea 8y ago
>Only people who are not served by better programs will spend time picking up cans for recycling value. The inverse is more true: people will continue not serving others by better programs if they can have them work for them for pennies...

by dsr_ 8y ago

closeparen 8y ago

This is exactly the neoliberal argument against labor protections in general. People would obtain jobs with dignified pay & benefits if they could. Having an option that seems exploitative is better than having no options. Thus, imposing minimum standards on the work that can be offered is harmful. Pursue other, better mechanisms to boost and lower-bound standards of living (economic growth, negative income tax). In the meantime, don't stand in the way of mutually beneficial transactions. This is a right-wing, Milton Friedman worldview. The left (pretty much by definition as "the left") emphatically rejects these arguments with respect to flipping burgers, running a cash register, or delivering groceries. What's special about picking up glass bottles?

dsr_ 8y ago
I will vote for a minimum wage. I will vote for a minimum wage with an automatic update based on any reasonable measure of inflation. I will vote for a basic income. I will vote for much higher and much more progressive income taxes. I will vote for a wealth tax. I will vote for stronger unions. I will vote for better anti-corruption measures across the board, for companies and unions and governments. And I will not vote to remove recycling deposits because you think that it's somehow exploiting poor people to let them get a little money.

coldtea 8y ago

>Only people who are not served by better programs will spend time picking up cans for recycling value. The inverse is more true: people will continue not serving others by better programs if they can have them work for them for pennies...