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You're making some very strong comments against KIPP, which I think (after watching a documentary on it) puts you directly at odds with the KIPP administrators

by cglee 16y ago

You're making some very strong comments against KIPP, which I think (after watching a documentary on it) puts you directly at odds with the KIPP administrators who have years of data and research to back up their work. You say they're missing long term data - how else do would they acquire the relevant data without actually implementing the schools? It's not a huge scam, it's an experiment in lifting up the bottom of our society. And it seems to be working. I don't care if it's pulled out of some guy's ass, as long as it works and validated.

Alex3917 16y ago
"Directly at odds with the KIPP administrators who have years of data and research to back up their work." As of a year ago when Paul Tough's book came out all they had were standardized test scores. Not sure if there is any new research, but as far as I've seen there are no studies on longterm outcomes yet. "How else do would they acquire the relevant data without actually implementing the schools?" Ignoring the fact that the KIPP methodology is at odds with established research on what leads to good outcomes, I'd say that we should implement the schools. But we shouldn't force all schools to adopt this system until we know they work. It's not the schools that are a scam, it's the movement to spread the system throughout the country without properly validating it first.
- anigbrowl 16y ago
  How long should we wait? We have copious evidence of how flawed the current system is.
  - jjs 16y ago
    > How long should we wait? We have copious evidence of how flawed the current system is. You could minimize the damage done by "the current system" (control group) by making the majority of schools into testing grounds for various competing educational theories, and see which one produces the best results.

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You're making some very strong comments against KIPP, which I think (after watching a documentary on it) puts you directly at odds with the KIPP administrators

by cglee 16y ago

Alex3917 16y ago
"Directly at odds with the KIPP administrators who have years of data and research to back up their work." As of a year ago when Paul Tough's book came out all they had were standardized test scores. Not sure if there is any new research, but as far as I've seen there are no studies on longterm outcomes yet. "How else do would they acquire the relevant data without actually implementing the schools?" Ignoring the fact that the KIPP methodology is at odds with established research on what leads to good outcomes, I'd say that we should implement the schools. But we shouldn't force all schools to adopt this system until we know they work. It's not the schools that are a scam, it's the movement to spread the system throughout the country without properly validating it first.
- anigbrowl 16y ago
  How long should we wait? We have copious evidence of how flawed the current system is.
  - jjs 16y ago
    > How long should we wait? We have copious evidence of how flawed the current system is. You could minimize the damage done by "the current system" (control group) by making the majority of schools into testing grounds for various competing educational theories, and see which one produces the best results.