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I haven't seen the movie and I haven't read nearly as much on education as you have, but if this is an issue you are passionate about, you shouldn't accuse Bill

by defen 16y ago

I haven't seen the movie and I haven't read nearly as much on education as you have, but if this is an issue you are passionate about, you shouldn't accuse Bill Gates of "white supremacy". That marks you as a crackpot and makes people much less likely to take you seriously.

starpilot 16y ago
awaits fulfillment of Godwin's law
Alex3917 16y ago
Right now wealthy white kids and low-income minorities are educated in pretty much the same way. It's a terrible system, but at least it's more or less equal. What Bill Gates et al. are advocating is creating a completely separate system for low-income minorities, with dramatically more hours spent in schools and away from parents/community. If that's something we want to have an open and intellectually honest debate about then I'm all for that once we have the data, but forcing this program on minorities in secret in bullshit.
- defen 16y ago
  I understand what you're saying, I'm just suggesting that your message might get more traction if you phrase it differently, or consider what his motivations might actually be. The guy has donated $1.5 billion to fund scholarships for minority students in the U.S., $750 million for vaccines in Africa, and many other initiatives that I can't remember right now. The idea that he is a white supremacist is laughable. He's practically Robin Hood - extracting wealth from mostly white, mostly corporate America via illegal means, in order to give it to minorities who are poor. On an interesting side note, Steve Sailer has said something like what you're saying about this topic, although I imagine he's coming at it from a different angle than you: http://isteve.blogspot.com/2009/05/todays-universal-preschool-conventional.html http://isteve.blogspot.com/2009/05/todays-universal-preschoo...
  - riffraff 16y ago
    while i agree with your basic point (personal judgement on Gates not adding value to the comment) I'd like to point out that even if someone does some good to non-wasp people he can still be a white supremacist. E.g. Cecil Rhodes was held in high estimation from the Ndebele people to the point of receiving a king-like burial ritual from them, but he still thought that british were god's gift to mankind.
  - Alex3917 16y ago
    Fair enough. For the record I have no doubt he's acting with good intentions. I just think the outcome will be unfortunate.
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by defen 16y ago

starpilot 16y ago

awaits fulfillment of Godwin's law

Alex3917 16y ago

Right now wealthy white kids and low-income minorities are educated in pretty much the same way. It's a terrible system, but at least it's more or less equal. What Bill Gates et al. are advocating is creating a completely separate system for low-income minorities, with dramatically more hours spent in schools and away from parents/community. If that's something we want to have an open and intellectually honest debate about then I'm all for that once we have the data, but forcing this program on minorities in secret in bullshit.

defen 16y ago
I understand what you're saying, I'm just suggesting that your message might get more traction if you phrase it differently, or consider what his motivations might actually be. The guy has donated $1.5 billion to fund scholarships for minority students in the U.S., $750 million for vaccines in Africa, and many other initiatives that I can't remember right now. The idea that he is a white supremacist is laughable. He's practically Robin Hood - extracting wealth from mostly white, mostly corporate America via illegal means, in order to give it to minorities who are poor. On an interesting side note, Steve Sailer has said something like what you're saying about this topic, although I imagine he's coming at it from a different angle than you: http://isteve.blogspot.com/2009/05/todays-universal-preschool-conventional.html http://isteve.blogspot.com/2009/05/todays-universal-preschoo...
- riffraff 16y ago
  while i agree with your basic point (personal judgement on Gates not adding value to the comment) I'd like to point out that even if someone does some good to non-wasp people he can still be a white supremacist. E.g. Cecil Rhodes was held in high estimation from the Ndebele people to the point of receiving a king-like burial ritual from them, but he still thought that british were god's gift to mankind.
- Alex3917 16y ago
  Fair enough. For the record I have no doubt he's acting with good intentions. I just think the outcome will be unfortunate.
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