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No solitude is not healthy. Only our shitty 21st century individualism pushes from industry and media have shifted things in that direction and almost nobody is

No solitude is not healthy. Only our shitty 21st century individualism pushes from industry and media have shifted things in that direction and almost nobody is happy doing it.

kwhitefoot 8y ago
Solitude and loneliness are not the same thing. Solitude is normally something you choose while loneliness is a product of circumstance. Some of us aggravate our loneliness by being difficult but it's still not the same as solitude.
- clanreborn 8y ago
  > Solitude is normally something you choose while loneliness is a product of circumstance Suicide is also something people choose. Being killed is something that happens to them. If a person suicides to not be torced and then killed my the enemies. How is that different from choosing soltitude over loneliness?
  - krastanov 8y ago
    You are mangling the word "choice" to fit your argument. Solitude is (for instance) me deciding to have a day or a week for myself to hike a trail alone. Loneliness is not having anybody that would do the hike with me if I invited them. Or to your more visceral examples: Medically assisted suicide could barely be called a choice (there are hardly any options with less painful outcome), but a suicide to avoid being hurt by others against your will is definitely even less of a choice.
    - clanreborn 8y ago
      > You are mangling the word "choice" to fit your argument. Solitude is (for instance) me deciding to have a day or a week for myself to hike a trail alone. Loneliness is not having anybody that would do the hike with me if I invited them. This is not how it works in the real world. Consumers are blasted with manipulative ad but still they've a choice, it's no more different than a suicide.
mc32 8y ago
It seems like this is an effect of many things that are a byproduct of modernity and progress. We continue to move away from rural distributed multigenerational living arrangements to individualized quarters in cities. I'm not sure this trend can be extricated given family units have become smaller over time as access to medicine and education has increased. It's not a product of capitalism or democracy, (or communism or authoritarianism); it’s a product progress --how we deal with this modern phenomenon remains to be seen, given this is a pretty recent development (a 20th century development).
clanreborn 8y ago
People are trying to avoid the downside of social interaction. Try writing a politically incorrect comment here and see instant refutation followed by downvotes. People are not good at coming up with morally correct statements in a realtime situation, they don't want to be shunned by saying something unpopular. It's better to giveup on your own terms then be ostracized by a group. They avoid interactions.
- krastanov 8y ago
  I have never seen a problem with being politically incorrect (I certainly have never tried to be PC and have made plenty of "offensive-sounding" arguments). Just do not be inflammatory, make the most offensive statements if you wish, and stop complaining when you get "instant refutation". Be honest in your arguments, do not try to defend yourself behind cries of "political correctness".
drharby 8y ago
Thats like, your opinion man
packet_nerd 8y ago
There's more than one kind of solitude, for me at least. There's the kind when I'm absorbed in a book. Far from feeling alone, I feel get caught up in the story and sort of feel like a participant in an imaginary world. It doesn't feel like solitude at all. Then there's the kind when I'm "in the zone" working on something. I loose track of time, people, and surroundings and when I finally figure it out I feel really good. The rest of the time I'm just alone and lonely, and that's a bad thing.
nickserv 8y ago
Hermits and recluses are not a 21st century media invention. Whatever the reason, spirituality, philosophy, art, to name a few, people have decided to live alone since at least recorded history...

No solitude is not healthy. Only our shitty 21st century individualism pushes from industry and media have shifted things in that direction and almost nobody is happy doing it.

kwhitefoot 8y ago

Solitude and loneliness are not the same thing. Solitude is normally something you choose while loneliness is a product of circumstance. Some of us aggravate our loneliness by being difficult but it's still not the same as solitude.

clanreborn 8y ago
> Solitude is normally something you choose while loneliness is a product of circumstance Suicide is also something people choose. Being killed is something that happens to them. If a person suicides to not be torced and then killed my the enemies. How is that different from choosing soltitude over loneliness?
- krastanov 8y ago
  You are mangling the word "choice" to fit your argument. Solitude is (for instance) me deciding to have a day or a week for myself to hike a trail alone. Loneliness is not having anybody that would do the hike with me if I invited them. Or to your more visceral examples: Medically assisted suicide could barely be called a choice (there are hardly any options with less painful outcome), but a suicide to avoid being hurt by others against your will is definitely even less of a choice.
  - clanreborn 8y ago
    > You are mangling the word "choice" to fit your argument. Solitude is (for instance) me deciding to have a day or a week for myself to hike a trail alone. Loneliness is not having anybody that would do the hike with me if I invited them. This is not how it works in the real world. Consumers are blasted with manipulative ad but still they've a choice, it's no more different than a suicide.

mc32 8y ago

It seems like this is an effect of many things that are a byproduct of modernity and progress. We continue to move away from rural distributed multigenerational living arrangements to individualized quarters in cities. I'm not sure this trend can be extricated given family units have become smaller over time as access to medicine and education has increased. It's not a product of capitalism or democracy, (or communism or authoritarianism); it’s a product progress --how we deal with this modern phenomenon remains to be seen, given this is a pretty recent development (a 20th century development).

clanreborn 8y ago

People are trying to avoid the downside of social interaction. Try writing a politically incorrect comment here and see instant refutation followed by downvotes. People are not good at coming up with morally correct statements in a realtime situation, they don't want to be shunned by saying something unpopular. It's better to giveup on your own terms then be ostracized by a group. They avoid interactions.

krastanov 8y ago
I have never seen a problem with being politically incorrect (I certainly have never tried to be PC and have made plenty of "offensive-sounding" arguments). Just do not be inflammatory, make the most offensive statements if you wish, and stop complaining when you get "instant refutation". Be honest in your arguments, do not try to defend yourself behind cries of "political correctness".

drharby 8y ago

Thats like, your opinion man

packet_nerd 8y ago

There's more than one kind of solitude, for me at least. There's the kind when I'm absorbed in a book. Far from feeling alone, I feel get caught up in the story and sort of feel like a participant in an imaginary world. It doesn't feel like solitude at all. Then there's the kind when I'm "in the zone" working on something. I loose track of time, people, and surroundings and when I finally figure it out I feel really good. The rest of the time I'm just alone and lonely, and that's a bad thing.

nickserv 8y ago

Hermits and recluses are not a 21st century media invention. Whatever the reason, spirituality, philosophy, art, to name a few, people have decided to live alone since at least recorded history...