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Start with a 3 species model. Imagine a shallow, closed sea, in which there is a shark, a plesiosaur, and a bird. We need to explain why the shark and the bird
by lkrubner 8y ago
Start with a 3 species model. Imagine a shallow, closed sea, in which there is a shark, a plesiosaur, and a bird. We need to explain why the shark and the bird survive, but the plesiosaur goes extinct.
An asteroid hits somewhere, causing environmental change. For the rest of this comment, I'm going to refer to temperature as a short-hand way of referring to any environmental change.
The shallow, closed sea is undergoing temperature change, so the environment for bacteria and viruses is rapidly changing, therefore new species of bacteria and viruses are emerging at a high speed.
The shark is safe because the shark has general purpose macrophages which fights all pathogens with equal efficiency -- the shark does not care whether a pathogen is new or old, because the shark has a disease fighting system which does not rely on the principle of immunity. Sharks are 350 million years old -- they evolved long before immunity existed.
The plesiosaur and the bird are both in danger, because they have a system of disease fighting that does rely on immunity -- they are efficient at fighting off pathogens they've already been exposed to, but they are inefficient at fighting off pathogens that they have never been exposed to.
The birds see half the flock grow sick and die, so some instinctual fear of disease kicks in and the birds fly away from the shallow, closed sea.
The plesiosaur has no escape. Their disease fighting system is inefficient when dealing with new diseases, and they are in a bath of new diseases, from which they can not escape. They go extinct.
Immunity is the best model I've seen so far for explaining which species went extinct and which species survived.
- pfdietz 8y agoYeah, no. There was massive extinction of single cell creatures (forams, for example) and also plants, which don't have immune systems. A good match for the extinction patterns is which species could survive a prolonged interruption of photosynthesis.
- frozenport 8y agoThe animals you mentioned have active, as well as learned immunity. The systems in vertebrates are quite similiar. I'm not sure what your point is.
- wild_preference 8y agoWhat’s with all the pretentious exposition? You could’ve shared your shower-thought in 140 chars.
- dang 8y agoPlease don't be nasty here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- GlennS 8y agoI don't see how you would distinguish this from a guess? Why prefer this over any other of the millions of possible explanations? Ecosystems are complicated.
- pvaldes 8y agoThere is an easier explanation. Because there are refuges for the shark and the bird. The shark can go to the deep sea, more stable and breath there. The bird can fly away and high over the poisoned cloud. The mammals can go under the soil. The plesiosaur could swim away but needs return to the surface to breath. Their suitable habitat has vanished.