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CMV: I think we should be able to vote electronically with the same convenience that we do online shopping not to make it easier to count the votes but rather t

CMV: I think we should be able to vote electronically with the same convenience that we do online shopping not to make it easier to count the votes but rather to increase turnout numbers. 50-60% - is that better for representative democracy or 90%? The counterpoint of decentralization - there is a single point where final counts happen. So who is to say that final single point isn't manipulatable?

nemetroid 8y ago
Sweden has paper ballots and around 85% voter turnout.
ufo 8y ago
Voting from home would be very dangerous as it would undermine the secrecy of the vote. It would become much easier for people with power (employers, religious authorities, abusive family members, etc) to coerce others to vote for a chosen candidate.
crpatino 8y ago
The way it works in Mexico, every political party has a representative in each voting site. Once the site officials (not government employees, but citizes selected at random) finish the ballot counting, they fill-in an act that is signed by every representative. So, each party has an unofficial report for each office, and their only restriction to know if there was a fraud is how faster they can double check official government figures. And yes, we do take elections pretty seriously around here. After the "System blackout" of 1988, it is not possible to have any sort of legitimacy without a robust election process with heavy involvement from the public. It is also one of the most expensive systems around the world, but at least we can be reasonably certain that the rascals that rule us are indeed the rascals the majority did choose.
freddie_mercury 8y ago
Echoing the other comment about Sweden: The last Australian election had 91% turnout, which was the lowest since 1926. It is possible to have high turnout without computers. You could, for instance, not have elections on a weekday as a start.
genericid 8y ago
How about 99.99%? The Soviet Union managed that in 1984. If your elections aren't secret, you may as well not bother. And it's impossible to have secret electronic elections. > The counterpoint of decentralization - there is a single point where final counts happen. What voting system are you talking about?

nemetroid 8y ago

Sweden has paper ballots and around 85% voter turnout.

ufo 8y ago

Voting from home would be very dangerous as it would undermine the secrecy of the vote. It would become much easier for people with power (employers, religious authorities, abusive family members, etc) to coerce others to vote for a chosen candidate.

crpatino 8y ago

The way it works in Mexico, every political party has a representative in each voting site. Once the site officials (not government employees, but citizes selected at random) finish the ballot counting, they fill-in an act that is signed by every representative. So, each party has an unofficial report for each office, and their only restriction to know if there was a fraud is how faster they can double check official government figures. And yes, we do take elections pretty seriously around here. After the "System blackout" of 1988, it is not possible to have any sort of legitimacy without a robust election process with heavy involvement from the public. It is also one of the most expensive systems around the world, but at least we can be reasonably certain that the rascals that rule us are indeed the rascals the majority did choose.

freddie_mercury 8y ago

Echoing the other comment about Sweden: The last Australian election had 91% turnout, which was the lowest since 1926. It is possible to have high turnout without computers. You could, for instance, not have elections on a weekday as a start.

genericid 8y ago

How about 99.99%? The Soviet Union managed that in 1984. If your elections aren't secret, you may as well not bother. And it's impossible to have secret electronic elections. > The counterpoint of decentralization - there is a single point where final counts happen. What voting system are you talking about?