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I don't really ever see anyone say it's racist, so even just bringing that up isn't likely to lead to a productive discussion. But what people do often say, ri
by ninkendo 8y ago
I don't really ever see anyone say it's racist, so even just bringing that up isn't likely to lead to a productive discussion.
But what people do often say, rightly, is that of the population who would don't have ID's and thus wouldn't be able to vote if you enacted a voter ID law, they're disproportionally likely to vote democrat. You can take from that what you want, but it's almost entirely republicans who are for voter ID and almost entirely democrats who are against it. That's not a coincidence.
Combine that with the fact that voter ID doesn't actually solve any current problems we have (in-person voter fraud is virtually nonexistent), it just seems like a distraction when what we should be having is a real conversation about the actual security of our election systems from hacking.
(EDIT: s/democrats/likely to vote democrat/;)
- fareesh 8y agoWhat method is used to check to see if voter fraud exists? I am reading here that there are 61,000 homeless people in New York City. How do they vote currently? If it's possible to verify their citizenship after they have voted, can't the same verification process be used to give them an ID? I see this "voter fraud is virtually non existent" argument frequently but I cannot understand the logistics of it.
- ninkendo 8y agoCurrently, in order to vote, you have to register to vote ahead of time. If I show up at the polls and successfully impersonate Person A, they cross Person A off the list of pre-registered voters, and I vote as them. But then, if Person A showed up, they would say "we already crossed you off the list", and it would trigger what we would call an "instance of in-person voter fraud." How they found out which person voted fraudulently doesn't really matter for my point, because: In a recent 14-year period, this has happened about thirty-one times across the whole US, according to wikipedia. (Source is here: [1]) Basically, it's easy to do, but also extremely easy to detect, so in practice nobody does it. It's not currently a significant factor in the security of our elections. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/10/13/the-disconnect-between-voter-id-laws-and-voter-fraud/?utm_term=.cc02227f9f8d https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/10/13/th...
- fareesh 8y agoOkay but is there some kind of electronic system that checks for the same person showing up in two counties? In India we apply election ink on a voter's finger
- ninkendo 8y agoYou'd have to be registered in both counties, which would be trivially easy to detect.
- fareesh 8y ago> You'd have to be registered in both counties, which would be trivially easy to detect. Is there a system that is doing this checking though? If I am an illegal immigrant I can go to that Equifax website leak for example, pick up a name and social security number, get some documents together, start a life for myself. Over time I could even get an ID to register for voting. There are supposedly 16 million known cases of identity theft in the USA per year - many of which are caught because money went missing. Is there a system that checks for voting in the same way. Granted it would be trivial, but does this checking take place?
- madengr 8y agoYes, but not all states. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Voter_Registration_Crosscheck_Program https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Voter_Registratio...
- fareesh 8y agoNo Texas, no Florida, no California, no NY, no NJ, no Massachusetts, no Pennsylvania 50%+ of the US population right there?