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Ok, I get it. But I'm not amped by it. 2 reasons: 1) Hitler is associated with way too many entries, I mean for 10 years he controlled most of europe, there is

Ok, I get it. But I'm not amped by it. 2 reasons: 1) Hitler is associated with way too many entries, I mean for 10 years he controlled most of europe, there isn't a topic in 20th century history he doesn't touch at some point. Its too easy to get to hitler through wikipedia. I'd like to see it with someone less obvious (and funnier) - like Ted Nugent 2) I'm kind of disturbed by the cutesy drawings of Hitler. I dunno, I normally have a thick skin and a good sense of humor, but having been raised jewish its hard for me to look at cuddly hitler and not cringe a little

Untitled 16y ago
> I dunno, I normally have a thick skin and a good sense of humor, but having been raised jewish its hard for me to look at cuddly hitler and not cringe a little Maybe you should grow a thicker skin? The British Empire was arguably more evil than the German Reich (and did evil for quite a few centuries). Yet the Union Jack is displayed everywhere (even on shirts) and the same hateful institutions are still there (e.g. the royal family).
- philwelch 16y ago
  I get into the same arguments with kids wearing Che shirts. It's not worth it. Being evil is one thing, being evil and losing a war against us makes you the villain forever.
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  - rwhitman 16y ago
    I'm sure people would be equally offended as I am if the app had cutesy pictures of Pol Pot, or Stalin or any other brutal dictator known for mass genocide
- whyleyc 16y ago
  That's a pretty big claim to throw out there. What evidence do you have to support it ?
  - Untitled 16y ago
    Read up about the British Empire and its history (it really is no secret). Examples include favouring certain classes in Sri Lanka (creating strife that lasted to this day in Sri Lanka and Malaysia). Overseeing immense famine (while British landowners exported food) in India and Ireland. Putting (and killing) people in concentration camps (e.g. South Africa and Kenia). Letting certain businessmen (e.g. Cecil John Rhodes) basically own countries (with all the abuse and rape that this entails). Did you learn in history books that the British Empire was a divine and enlightened entity that existed for the benefit of mankind? (Because it basically enslaved 400 million people for the benefit of an Island of less than 40 million).
    - whyleyc 16y ago
      I agree that the examples you give are terrible and inexcusable, however they don't support your assertion that the British Empire was more evil than the Third Reich, given what we know about the sheer scale of systematic extermination during the Holocaust. It just doesn't compare I'm afraid. Also, the British Empire, whilst causing harm, did bring benefits to some countries (something it would be hard to argue the Third Reich did). For instance: * Infrastructure improvements (railways, roads, canals, industrialisation) * Improvements in education * Parliamentary democracy * A professional civil service * Free trade * Medicine (hospitals, vaccinations) .. and of course cricket :)
      - Jach 16y ago
        Sounds like you're saying the British Empire was more similar to the Romans than to the Third Reich. I don't necessarily disagree, since I consider myself ignorant on large swathes of history to make a confident judgment, but doing a little searching brings up a couple numbers. The Holocaust killed ~15 million (which includes non-Jews too). In the late 19th century, the British Empire was directly responsible for ~30 million deaths from starving people in India. ( http://archive.arabnews.com/?page=7&section=0&article=84138&d=21&m=6&y=2006 http://archive.arabnews.com/?page=7&section=0&articl... ) The Empire did a lot of good things, but do you think their good outweighs their bad over 250 years? I think it's part of human psychology to say a short, painful event (like the Holocaust) is worse than a prolonged, perhaps even more painful event ( http://www.ted.com/talks/daniel_kahneman_the_riddle_of_experience_vs_memory.html http://www.ted.com/talks/daniel_kahneman_the_riddle_of_exper... ), especially if the ending is a peak or decay (Nazis were still evil in the end, British Empire hasn't been very "empirical" after WW2).
- rwhitman 16y ago
  So because the british committed atrocities through policy decisions over the course of several centuries, I shouldn't be offended by cuddly representations of hitler - a man that presided over the slaughter of several generations of both my jewish and non-jewish extended family? Is that what you're saying?
invertedlambda 16y ago
Agree on #2 - it's an interesting idea, but cuddly Hitler is in poor taste. I'm originally from Europe, and with family members lost during the war, I don't consider it something that's already lost in the fog of history. <soapbox> I think Americans generally have a different sense of what the war felt like afterwards. There are many American vets who suffered great trauma, and I don't mean to detract from that in any way. They made real sacrifices that we should be aware of and respect. That said - when the war was over, Americans came home to a country that was largely intact. In much of Europe, everything had been completely destroyed (by bombs or otherwise). So it's taken longer for those memories to fade. </soapbox> Anyway, that's not to say that the effort put into this wasn't worthwhile! Good job on the wikipedia searching - cool idea. : )
jakerocheleau 16y ago
Not to be rude but on your #2 point that's not really a bash at his application or programming talents. If you have a problem with Hitler being displayed as a cartoon then don't use the application
jacquesm 16y ago
> I mean for 10 years he controlled most of europe It wasn't nearly 10 years. The Anschluss was in 38, by May 45 Hitler was dead, and Europe was for the most part free again (except for those parts that happened to find themselves under the Soviet boot). The German expansion in Europe was at it's peak by August 1942, when the Russians fought off the Germans in and around Stalingrad, one month later allied forces successfully established a beach-head in Italy, from then onwards it was down all the way, even if the situation was more or less stagnant until D-Day.
- rwhitman 16y ago
  Well he was a major player in european politics for over 10 years. I know my history - the point is that hitler had an overwhelming influence on the 30's and 40's in europe and touched a disproportionate number of topics from 1933-1945

Untitled 16y ago

> I dunno, I normally have a thick skin and a good sense of humor, but having been raised jewish its hard for me to look at cuddly hitler and not cringe a little Maybe you should grow a thicker skin? The British Empire was arguably more evil than the German Reich (and did evil for quite a few centuries). Yet the Union Jack is displayed everywhere (even on shirts) and the same hateful institutions are still there (e.g. the royal family).

philwelch 16y ago
I get into the same arguments with kids wearing Che shirts. It's not worth it. Being evil is one thing, being evil and losing a war against us makes you the villain forever.
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- rwhitman 16y ago
  I'm sure people would be equally offended as I am if the app had cutesy pictures of Pol Pot, or Stalin or any other brutal dictator known for mass genocide
whyleyc 16y ago
That's a pretty big claim to throw out there. What evidence do you have to support it ?
- Untitled 16y ago
  Read up about the British Empire and its history (it really is no secret). Examples include favouring certain classes in Sri Lanka (creating strife that lasted to this day in Sri Lanka and Malaysia). Overseeing immense famine (while British landowners exported food) in India and Ireland. Putting (and killing) people in concentration camps (e.g. South Africa and Kenia). Letting certain businessmen (e.g. Cecil John Rhodes) basically own countries (with all the abuse and rape that this entails). Did you learn in history books that the British Empire was a divine and enlightened entity that existed for the benefit of mankind? (Because it basically enslaved 400 million people for the benefit of an Island of less than 40 million).
  - whyleyc 16y ago
    I agree that the examples you give are terrible and inexcusable, however they don't support your assertion that the British Empire was more evil than the Third Reich, given what we know about the sheer scale of systematic extermination during the Holocaust. It just doesn't compare I'm afraid. Also, the British Empire, whilst causing harm, did bring benefits to some countries (something it would be hard to argue the Third Reich did). For instance: * Infrastructure improvements (railways, roads, canals, industrialisation) * Improvements in education * Parliamentary democracy * A professional civil service * Free trade * Medicine (hospitals, vaccinations) .. and of course cricket :)
    - Jach 16y ago
      Sounds like you're saying the British Empire was more similar to the Romans than to the Third Reich. I don't necessarily disagree, since I consider myself ignorant on large swathes of history to make a confident judgment, but doing a little searching brings up a couple numbers. The Holocaust killed ~15 million (which includes non-Jews too). In the late 19th century, the British Empire was directly responsible for ~30 million deaths from starving people in India. ( http://archive.arabnews.com/?page=7&section=0&article=84138&d=21&m=6&y=2006 http://archive.arabnews.com/?page=7&section=0&articl... ) The Empire did a lot of good things, but do you think their good outweighs their bad over 250 years? I think it's part of human psychology to say a short, painful event (like the Holocaust) is worse than a prolonged, perhaps even more painful event ( http://www.ted.com/talks/daniel_kahneman_the_riddle_of_experience_vs_memory.html http://www.ted.com/talks/daniel_kahneman_the_riddle_of_exper... ), especially if the ending is a peak or decay (Nazis were still evil in the end, British Empire hasn't been very "empirical" after WW2).
rwhitman 16y ago
So because the british committed atrocities through policy decisions over the course of several centuries, I shouldn't be offended by cuddly representations of hitler - a man that presided over the slaughter of several generations of both my jewish and non-jewish extended family? Is that what you're saying?

invertedlambda 16y ago

Agree on #2 - it's an interesting idea, but cuddly Hitler is in poor taste. I'm originally from Europe, and with family members lost during the war, I don't consider it something that's already lost in the fog of history. <soapbox> I think Americans generally have a different sense of what the war felt like afterwards. There are many American vets who suffered great trauma, and I don't mean to detract from that in any way. They made real sacrifices that we should be aware of and respect. That said - when the war was over, Americans came home to a country that was largely intact. In much of Europe, everything had been completely destroyed (by bombs or otherwise). So it's taken longer for those memories to fade. </soapbox> Anyway, that's not to say that the effort put into this wasn't worthwhile! Good job on the wikipedia searching - cool idea. : )

jakerocheleau 16y ago

Not to be rude but on your #2 point that's not really a bash at his application or programming talents. If you have a problem with Hitler being displayed as a cartoon then don't use the application

jacquesm 16y ago

> I mean for 10 years he controlled most of europe It wasn't nearly 10 years. The Anschluss was in 38, by May 45 Hitler was dead, and Europe was for the most part free again (except for those parts that happened to find themselves under the Soviet boot). The German expansion in Europe was at it's peak by August 1942, when the Russians fought off the Germans in and around Stalingrad, one month later allied forces successfully established a beach-head in Italy, from then onwards it was down all the way, even if the situation was more or less stagnant until D-Day.

rwhitman 16y ago
Well he was a major player in european politics for over 10 years. I know my history - the point is that hitler had an overwhelming influence on the 30's and 40's in europe and touched a disproportionate number of topics from 1933-1945