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While I agree with you that the risks are not worth it, there is the counterargument that votes are expensive. If votes were made less expensive it might be fea

While I agree with you that the risks are not worth it, there is the counterargument that votes are expensive. If votes were made less expensive it might be feasible to put more things out for popular vote Edit: typo. Stupid autocorrect set for the wrong language

brewrwe 8y ago
Vores?
- rhizome 8y ago
  Odd place for small rodents to appear, but maybe there's a lesson to be learned from them.
  - brewrwe 8y ago
    I think it was a typo on the prior commenters part, but apparently my comment got flagged. Man HN is touchy!
- fao_ 8y ago
  Edible votes perhaps?
sitharus 8y ago
A counter argument to expanding popular votes, the reason for a representative democracy is so we _don’t_ have to vote on everything. If we’re electing representatives that we distrust so much we want to directly vote on more of the laws I think we should fix the election of representatives.
- owl_paste 8y ago
  If we can't elect good representatives, yeah, I'd hesitate to assume we'd be any better at direct democracy.
walshemj 8y ago
Which is a very bad idea referendums are a terrible way to make decisions see Brexit
- KSteffensen 8y ago
  You're arguing there should be fewer public votes in a democracy? If you don't trust the public to make decisions like Brexit, why trust them to elect representatives? Note that some of the most shameless brexiteers were publically elected MPs.
  - walshemj 8y ago
    1 A small number of mp's where Brexit most where not. 2 Yes I am saying there should be no referendums in an elected democracy its a terrible idea - Germany even outrights bans them in its constitution.
    - KSteffensen 8y ago
      1. It seems like the tories have been at civil war since the referendum so the number can't be that small. Corbyn doesn't seem too unhappy about the idea either, although for different reasons than, say, David Davies. 2. Germany may ban them in its constitution, but it seems to work for Switzerland. Again, if you don't trust people to handle referendums maturely and responsibly, why trust people to elect representatives that will handle the same issues maturely and responsibly?

brewrwe 8y ago

Vores?

rhizome 8y ago
Odd place for small rodents to appear, but maybe there's a lesson to be learned from them.
- brewrwe 8y ago
  I think it was a typo on the prior commenters part, but apparently my comment got flagged. Man HN is touchy!
fao_ 8y ago
Edible votes perhaps?

sitharus 8y ago

A counter argument to expanding popular votes, the reason for a representative democracy is so we _don’t_ have to vote on everything. If we’re electing representatives that we distrust so much we want to directly vote on more of the laws I think we should fix the election of representatives.

owl_paste 8y ago
If we can't elect good representatives, yeah, I'd hesitate to assume we'd be any better at direct democracy.

walshemj 8y ago

Which is a very bad idea referendums are a terrible way to make decisions see Brexit

KSteffensen 8y ago
You're arguing there should be fewer public votes in a democracy? If you don't trust the public to make decisions like Brexit, why trust them to elect representatives? Note that some of the most shameless brexiteers were publically elected MPs.
- walshemj 8y ago
  1 A small number of mp's where Brexit most where not. 2 Yes I am saying there should be no referendums in an elected democracy its a terrible idea - Germany even outrights bans them in its constitution.
  - KSteffensen 8y ago
    1. It seems like the tories have been at civil war since the referendum so the number can't be that small. Corbyn doesn't seem too unhappy about the idea either, although for different reasons than, say, David Davies. 2. Germany may ban them in its constitution, but it seems to work for Switzerland. Again, if you don't trust people to handle referendums maturely and responsibly, why trust people to elect representatives that will handle the same issues maturely and responsibly?