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>Unfortunately, it is harder to configure than F.lux. It is a command line only tool (with a GUI indicator component) and it requires creating a manual configur

by bdz 8y ago

>Unfortunately, it is harder to configure than F.lux. It is a command line only tool (with a GUI indicator component) and it requires creating a manual configuration file. Sums up the Linux experience perfectly. "I'm a Windows/OSX user and want to switch to Linux is there an alternative to X app? Yes but unfortunately, it is harder to configure, it is a command line only and it requires creating a manual configuration file." That's when a lot of people just nope out.

green7ea 8y ago
Gnome 3 now has it built in and it's really easy to configure - there's an on and off button in the screen configuration. https://www.gnome.org/news/2017/03/gnome-3-24-released/attachment/night-light/ https://www.gnome.org/news/2017/03/gnome-3-24-released/attac...
paulcarroty 8y ago
https://www.gnome.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/night-light.png https://www.gnome.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/night-light... Linux did a big move since "command line only".
michaelmrose 8y ago
If you check out http://jonls.dk/redshift/ http://jonls.dk/redshift/ you will note that they provide a sample configuration in what appears to be toml where each option is annotated example ; Global settings for redshift [redshift] ; Set the day and night screen temperatures temp-day=5700 temp-night=3500 There are all of 9 settings in the default config with lots of explanations. The level of challenge required to copy some text into a text file with the syntax [section] settingname=value and change the values relevant to you is very modest. People are prone to overestimate the difficulty of anything without a gui in fact its often like this. Incidentally there appear to be a number of different guis for example on kde you could use https://phabricator.kde.org/source/plasma-redshift-control/ https://phabricator.kde.org/source/plasma-redshift-control/ To see the how this looks see https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/widgets-linux-plasma-applets/ https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/widgets-linux-plasma-applets/ This post sums of peoples misperception of linux perfectly.
- overcast 8y ago
  By virtue of the fact that your post is so long just to explain how "easy" it is to configure, sums up the Linux community perfectly.
  - michaelmrose 8y ago
    It could be summarized thusly in 2 sentences. The text configuration is so easy anyone could do it once in 2 minutes and not worry about it for the next 10 years. It actually has a gui in fact multiple guis for this particular app based on platform. If I mangled it and removed punctuation it might fit in a tweet but this wouldn't be as illuminating as actually showing how simple the configuration format is or linking to an actual frontend so you could see how it looks. We write posts longer than tweets because we care about care about communicating ideas of value.
    - overcast 8y ago
      Text configuration is so far beyond that vast majority of end users. Hacker News truly is living in a bubble.
      - michaelmrose 8y ago
        I could train a computer illiterate to open a text file and change foo=bar to foo=Baz. Not to mention most things including red shift actually have a gui.
      - gregknicholson 8y ago
        The majority of users would either (A) not care about their screen's colour temperature at all, or (B) just turn on Night Light using Gnome's settings. Redshift is very much a niche tool.
      - pasabagi 8y ago
        Non-text configuration is beyond me. Changing text files is easy because I already know how to use a text editor. Changing something in a labyrinthine set of nested GUI menus that may or may not contain the option you want, that has no comments, is kinda horrible. And it's even more horrible if you end up editing hexidecimal values in regedit. I know there's this theoretical 'end user' who likes to point and click, but honestly, I've never met them. People who don't like computers just don't do configuration - having a GUI or not is besides the point - other than the fact it makes the howto of configuration difficult to communicate and specific to every app.
tripzilch 8y ago
I just bound it to 5 keyboard shortcuts to switch between off, 5000K, 4200K, 3400K and 2500K. During the day I just pick whichever matches the ambient light, which one feels best or is required for current activity. (In practice I do not use the 2500K setting) Maybe I'm unique but I never liked how F.lux on Windows made the transitions slow, and automagically based on what the sun is doing, which approximates but often does not quite align with the ambient light in a room, let alone pick up on my fickle personal preferences of just how orange-pink I like my monitor to be at any moment. Edit to add: This method uses no config files. I just apt install redshift and use keyboard settings to bind shortcuts to commands `redshift -x`, `redshift -O5000`, `redshift -O4200`, etc.
- checkyoursudo 8y ago
  This is what I do, except I only have 2. Is it nighttime? redshift -O 4000 Is it daytime? redshift -x Pretty simple. No config required. This has always been enough for me. Easy enough to set a cronjob, if that's your thang, too.
  - tripzilch 8y ago
    Totally. I just decided I like having more options. When I'm reading webpages I set the colour temperature lower than when I'm watching series, for instance.

by bdz 8y ago

green7ea 8y ago

Gnome 3 now has it built in and it's really easy to configure - there's an on and off button in the screen configuration. https://www.gnome.org/news/2017/03/gnome-3-24-released/attachment/night-light/ https://www.gnome.org/news/2017/03/gnome-3-24-released/attac...

paulcarroty 8y ago

https://www.gnome.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/night-light.png https://www.gnome.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/night-light... Linux did a big move since "command line only".

michaelmrose 8y ago

If you check out http://jonls.dk/redshift/ http://jonls.dk/redshift/ you will note that they provide a sample configuration in what appears to be toml where each option is annotated example ; Global settings for redshift [redshift] ; Set the day and night screen temperatures temp-day=5700 temp-night=3500 There are all of 9 settings in the default config with lots of explanations. The level of challenge required to copy some text into a text file with the syntax [section] settingname=value and change the values relevant to you is very modest. People are prone to overestimate the difficulty of anything without a gui in fact its often like this. Incidentally there appear to be a number of different guis for example on kde you could use https://phabricator.kde.org/source/plasma-redshift-control/ https://phabricator.kde.org/source/plasma-redshift-control/ To see the how this looks see https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/widgets-linux-plasma-applets/ https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/widgets-linux-plasma-applets/ This post sums of peoples misperception of linux perfectly.

overcast 8y ago
By virtue of the fact that your post is so long just to explain how "easy" it is to configure, sums up the Linux community perfectly.
- michaelmrose 8y ago
  It could be summarized thusly in 2 sentences. The text configuration is so easy anyone could do it once in 2 minutes and not worry about it for the next 10 years. It actually has a gui in fact multiple guis for this particular app based on platform. If I mangled it and removed punctuation it might fit in a tweet but this wouldn't be as illuminating as actually showing how simple the configuration format is or linking to an actual frontend so you could see how it looks. We write posts longer than tweets because we care about care about communicating ideas of value.
  - overcast 8y ago
    Text configuration is so far beyond that vast majority of end users. Hacker News truly is living in a bubble.
    - michaelmrose 8y ago
      I could train a computer illiterate to open a text file and change foo=bar to foo=Baz. Not to mention most things including red shift actually have a gui.
    - gregknicholson 8y ago
      The majority of users would either (A) not care about their screen's colour temperature at all, or (B) just turn on Night Light using Gnome's settings. Redshift is very much a niche tool.
    - pasabagi 8y ago
      Non-text configuration is beyond me. Changing text files is easy because I already know how to use a text editor. Changing something in a labyrinthine set of nested GUI menus that may or may not contain the option you want, that has no comments, is kinda horrible. And it's even more horrible if you end up editing hexidecimal values in regedit. I know there's this theoretical 'end user' who likes to point and click, but honestly, I've never met them. People who don't like computers just don't do configuration - having a GUI or not is besides the point - other than the fact it makes the howto of configuration difficult to communicate and specific to every app.

tripzilch 8y ago

I just bound it to 5 keyboard shortcuts to switch between off, 5000K, 4200K, 3400K and 2500K. During the day I just pick whichever matches the ambient light, which one feels best or is required for current activity. (In practice I do not use the 2500K setting) Maybe I'm unique but I never liked how F.lux on Windows made the transitions slow, and automagically based on what the sun is doing, which approximates but often does not quite align with the ambient light in a room, let alone pick up on my fickle personal preferences of just how orange-pink I like my monitor to be at any moment. Edit to add: This method uses no config files. I just apt install redshift and use keyboard settings to bind shortcuts to commands `redshift -x`, `redshift -O5000`, `redshift -O4200`, etc.

checkyoursudo 8y ago
This is what I do, except I only have 2. Is it nighttime? redshift -O 4000 Is it daytime? redshift -x Pretty simple. No config required. This has always been enough for me. Easy enough to set a cronjob, if that's your thang, too.
- tripzilch 8y ago
  Totally. I just decided I like having more options. When I'm reading webpages I set the colour temperature lower than when I'm watching series, for instance.