> deterministic universes contain no information at all except their initial state How can it be otherwise? You can always completely describe the determinist

> deterministic universes contain no information at all except their initial state How can it be otherwise? You can always completely describe the deterministic universe by its initial state plus a time value, even if its initial state appears much simpler than the later states. A busy game of life scenario can arise from a simple starting point. If you don't know the rules, you're stuck describing the position of every dot, if you do, then you can create a complete description with much less information.