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You may be too wrapped up in outrage to have seen my bigger point. Anyone can come along and claim a corporate culture is toxic for virtually any reason. If you

You may be too wrapped up in outrage to have seen my bigger point. Anyone can come along and claim a corporate culture is toxic for virtually any reason. If your company had a policy that gave extra breaks for people who smoked and said people formed a clique that excluded non-smokers then you'd have grounds to call this "toxic" and agitate for change just because you didn't smoke yourself.

maym86 8y ago
> Anyone can come along and claim a corporate culture is toxic for virtually any reason. If your company had a policy that... Yes, yes, what about all the cases that aren't actually happening and all the lawsuits occuring for any made up situations that you can come up with? That's what we should focus on. This is a specific example of a toxic culture and sexual harrasment in a workplace. It is real and not a thought experiment. When examples of your imaginary cases come to court we can discuss the merrits of those.
kjeetgill 8y ago
I want to agree with you, anyone can come in and claim toxic. I can get behind being weird and experimental but that doesn't mean there aren't lines worth drawing. The suit isn't happening just over someone who didn't want their norms tested and wanted the corporate culture to conform. She faced retaliation when she didn't reciprocate with English's advances. She got frozen out and harassed. That's just bread and butter bullshit. Classicly toxic work environment. The rest of the weirdness just makes that central issue worse (and probably a catchier headline).
Spooky23 8y ago
When people are watching porn and jerking off in the server closet, it’s toxic.
- fjsolwmv 8y ago
  Only if it's not done privately.
candu 8y ago
Surely you must concede that, in this particular instance, it's clear-cut that the workplace culture is toxic, and that there are a couple of orders of magnitude in severity between it and this hypothetical non-smoker-excluding office. Surely you must also see that the described behavior is discriminatory. "If they just didn't hire people like X, there wouldn't be a problem" should be a huge red flag, the kind that suggests in a "there be dragons" sort of way that employment and non-discrimination laws might possibly frown upon something here. Surely?

maym86 8y ago

> Anyone can come along and claim a corporate culture is toxic for virtually any reason. If your company had a policy that... Yes, yes, what about all the cases that aren't actually happening and all the lawsuits occuring for any made up situations that you can come up with? That's what we should focus on. This is a specific example of a toxic culture and sexual harrasment in a workplace. It is real and not a thought experiment. When examples of your imaginary cases come to court we can discuss the merrits of those.

kjeetgill 8y ago

I want to agree with you, anyone can come in and claim toxic. I can get behind being weird and experimental but that doesn't mean there aren't lines worth drawing. The suit isn't happening just over someone who didn't want their norms tested and wanted the corporate culture to conform. She faced retaliation when she didn't reciprocate with English's advances. She got frozen out and harassed. That's just bread and butter bullshit. Classicly toxic work environment. The rest of the weirdness just makes that central issue worse (and probably a catchier headline).

Spooky23 8y ago

When people are watching porn and jerking off in the server closet, it’s toxic.

fjsolwmv 8y ago
Only if it's not done privately.

candu 8y ago

Surely you must concede that, in this particular instance, it's clear-cut that the workplace culture is toxic, and that there are a couple of orders of magnitude in severity between it and this hypothetical non-smoker-excluding office. Surely you must also see that the described behavior is discriminatory. "If they just didn't hire people like X, there wouldn't be a problem" should be a huge red flag, the kind that suggests in a "there be dragons" sort of way that employment and non-discrimination laws might possibly frown upon something here. Surely?