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Are there so few women out there that these guys can't just get a girlfriend?

by jstewartmobile 8y ago

nhumrich 8y ago
No girl is dumb enough to be their girlfriend.
- jstewartmobile 8y ago
  When it comes to what many women put up with, Stanford man-children are fairly benign in comparison.
  - electriclove 8y ago
    This is not a true statement https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Turner https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Turner
- ravenstine 8y ago
  How many women have you known personally? I'm not trying to be crass, but if you think women don't date or marry terrible men, you'd better think again.
- stealthmodeclan 8y ago
  > No girl is dumb enough to be their girlfriend. Being smart has nothing to do with it. People don't make a rational choice while choosing a partner. I am not even remotely good looking compared to many handsome men around. What works is rather simple, if you can do funny things bravely, you'll get the any girl you want. Now, i am from Eastern Europe and Ashkenazi Jew. I am naturally not good looking compared to many other handsome men. But I still don't feel ugly and i am able to attract any woman i want. Many women here threw insult at me but i laughed them off, they are just checking what you are made up of and how difficult it is to agitate you or make you sad, a manchild can't handle this without breaking into tears.
lobotryas 8y ago
I'm also confused whenever I read about such seemingly open-and-shut cases. Have these guys never heard of "Don't shit where you eat"? Or, are they so wrapped up in their business that work becomes everything for them, including the entirety of their social life?
- jstewartmobile 8y ago
  Could be that they've been in the PhD bubble for so long that they were never really exposed to how the rest of the world works. I remember a lot of the profs at my college--gross old dudes--sleeping with their students and getting away with it. Hell, if I were a young girl, and I've got to listen to this guy every other day, and he has control over my grade--which could have a major impact on the rest of my life... maybe that would eventually have some kind of effect on my psyche. Who knows?
  - lobotryas 8y ago
    Hard to tell. On the one hand society has always had creeps and weirdos. On the other hand this may be a canary that indicates that we've had some kind of societal breakdown where these guys felt better about taking pants off in a meeting rather than just asking someone on a date and dealing with rejection there. Regarding your example: it's true that you describe a power imbalance, but unless those professors were issuing ultimatums (for which a smart person could gather evidence), the girls were making their own choices on how to get ahead.
    - TheCoelacanth 8y ago
      Professors sleeping with their current students is incredibly inappropriate regardless of how the relationship was initiated. Just keep it in your pants until the end of the semester.
- cimmanom 8y ago
  This isn’t about it being their social life. Stripping in front of an employee and then retaliating when she won’t engage with you sexually is not “social life”.
EliRivers 8y ago
Would that actually change anything? It's about in-groups vs out-groups, bullying and humiliation, showing off and hangers-on, all that sort of thing. Having a girlfriend doesn't seem like it would make any difference.
- jstewartmobile 8y ago
  I am not qualified to psychoanalyze them, so I won't. "Masturbation Zone" sounds like it came out of the untouched teenage boy playbook if you ask me.
  - EliRivers 8y ago
    Certainly does, and as I recall, teenage boys continue to be teenage boys even when they get a girlfriend. Sometimes even more so. I would hazard that the kind of person who thinks this is a good idea in the workplace wouldn't stop thinking that by having a girlfriend.
- stealthmodeclan 8y ago
  > It's about in-groups vs out-groups, bullying and humiliation, showing off and hangers-on, all that sort of thing. In other words, it's called "clan like thinking" - that's exactly what makes a startup successful. Without this you can never succeed, anyone who says otherwise is not telling you the complete truth.
  - digitaltrees 8y ago
    So you’d be ok with a company led by women that only hired women to prevent men from introducing this culture? I suspect, based on your previous comments, you would not.
diN0bot 8y ago
Are these guys so narcissistic, disrespectful and immature that they can't sustain romantic relationships without exercising power over someone else?
cimmanom 8y ago
You don’t just “get a girlfriend”. Usually having a girlfriend involves being a decent enough human being in the first place that a woman would want to spend time with you. This CEO was clearly a dickhead (in every sense of the term), and I can understand why no woman would touch him with a proverbial 10 foot pole in a romantic sense.

Are there so few women out there that these guys can't just get a girlfriend?

nhumrich 8y ago

No girl is dumb enough to be their girlfriend.

jstewartmobile 8y ago
When it comes to what many women put up with, Stanford man-children are fairly benign in comparison.
- electriclove 8y ago
  This is not a true statement https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Turner https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Turner
ravenstine 8y ago
How many women have you known personally? I'm not trying to be crass, but if you think women don't date or marry terrible men, you'd better think again.
stealthmodeclan 8y ago
> No girl is dumb enough to be their girlfriend. Being smart has nothing to do with it. People don't make a rational choice while choosing a partner. I am not even remotely good looking compared to many handsome men around. What works is rather simple, if you can do funny things bravely, you'll get the any girl you want. Now, i am from Eastern Europe and Ashkenazi Jew. I am naturally not good looking compared to many other handsome men. But I still don't feel ugly and i am able to attract any woman i want. Many women here threw insult at me but i laughed them off, they are just checking what you are made up of and how difficult it is to agitate you or make you sad, a manchild can't handle this without breaking into tears.

lobotryas 8y ago

I'm also confused whenever I read about such seemingly open-and-shut cases. Have these guys never heard of "Don't shit where you eat"? Or, are they so wrapped up in their business that work becomes everything for them, including the entirety of their social life?

jstewartmobile 8y ago
Could be that they've been in the PhD bubble for so long that they were never really exposed to how the rest of the world works. I remember a lot of the profs at my college--gross old dudes--sleeping with their students and getting away with it. Hell, if I were a young girl, and I've got to listen to this guy every other day, and he has control over my grade--which could have a major impact on the rest of my life... maybe that would eventually have some kind of effect on my psyche. Who knows?
- lobotryas 8y ago
  Hard to tell. On the one hand society has always had creeps and weirdos. On the other hand this may be a canary that indicates that we've had some kind of societal breakdown where these guys felt better about taking pants off in a meeting rather than just asking someone on a date and dealing with rejection there. Regarding your example: it's true that you describe a power imbalance, but unless those professors were issuing ultimatums (for which a smart person could gather evidence), the girls were making their own choices on how to get ahead.
  - TheCoelacanth 8y ago
    Professors sleeping with their current students is incredibly inappropriate regardless of how the relationship was initiated. Just keep it in your pants until the end of the semester.
cimmanom 8y ago
This isn’t about it being their social life. Stripping in front of an employee and then retaliating when she won’t engage with you sexually is not “social life”.

EliRivers 8y ago

Would that actually change anything? It's about in-groups vs out-groups, bullying and humiliation, showing off and hangers-on, all that sort of thing. Having a girlfriend doesn't seem like it would make any difference.

jstewartmobile 8y ago
I am not qualified to psychoanalyze them, so I won't. "Masturbation Zone" sounds like it came out of the untouched teenage boy playbook if you ask me.
- EliRivers 8y ago
  Certainly does, and as I recall, teenage boys continue to be teenage boys even when they get a girlfriend. Sometimes even more so. I would hazard that the kind of person who thinks this is a good idea in the workplace wouldn't stop thinking that by having a girlfriend.
stealthmodeclan 8y ago
> It's about in-groups vs out-groups, bullying and humiliation, showing off and hangers-on, all that sort of thing. In other words, it's called "clan like thinking" - that's exactly what makes a startup successful. Without this you can never succeed, anyone who says otherwise is not telling you the complete truth.
- digitaltrees 8y ago
  So you’d be ok with a company led by women that only hired women to prevent men from introducing this culture? I suspect, based on your previous comments, you would not.

diN0bot 8y ago

Are these guys so narcissistic, disrespectful and immature that they can't sustain romantic relationships without exercising power over someone else?

cimmanom 8y ago

You don’t just “get a girlfriend”. Usually having a girlfriend involves being a decent enough human being in the first place that a woman would want to spend time with you. This CEO was clearly a dickhead (in every sense of the term), and I can understand why no woman would touch him with a proverbial 10 foot pole in a romantic sense.