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One core idea of fascism is that in unity lies strength. The main symbol of this is the faces, where the rods are made stronger by being made together. This ide

One core idea of fascism is that in unity lies strength. The main symbol of this is the faces, where the rods are made stronger by being made together. This idea is not incompatible with socialism, on the contrary. Now of course there's the flip side, which excludes everyone who are not in the group. Stuff like Jews are not true Germans or something. That side I would say is indeed incompatible with socialism. But try for a moment to see it from a fascist's perspective. Who they care about, really? It's easy to only see one's peers, and not so hard to feel contempt towards outsiders. I bet that from the inside, fascism can easily feel socialist. A current example I think would be some anti-fascist groups, which despite their stated goals can be pretty fascist.

blattimwind 8y ago
> Stuff like Jews are not true Germans or something. That side I would say is indeed incompatible with socialism. I guess no one told the soviet union about their antisemitism being incompatible with their ideology.
- olavk 8y ago
  Antisemitism absolutely was incompatible with official USSR ideology. So was any form of racism and nationalism. That doesn't mean it didn't exist of course, but it was never official policy as in Nazi Germany.
  - kingofhdds 8y ago
    It's not true. Socialism can go well (and is going well) with many sorts of other *isms, simply by re-definition, or making compromises for "greater good". Soviet Union had some semi-hidden policies which broke its own pledges, but it also had a lot of official manifestations, which apparently weren't seen as uncomfortable. E.g. Soviet anthem mentioned "great Russia" in the first stanza. Official Kremlin guard was selected on a combination of ideological, and racial features. And, believe me, I can continue with this for a long time.
- pps43 8y ago
  Antisemitism in Soviet Union followed from the way they understood equality. For example, they look at the distribution of university students and notice that Jews are over-represented while, say, Uzbeks are under-represented. That's not fair, let's fix this inequality with admissions quota.
- gaius 8y ago
  I guess no one told the soviet union about their antisemitism being incompatible with their ideology. The British Labour Party is similarly engulfed in an anti-Semitism scandal at the moment, it’s all over the papers.

blattimwind 8y ago

> Stuff like Jews are not true Germans or something. That side I would say is indeed incompatible with socialism. I guess no one told the soviet union about their antisemitism being incompatible with their ideology.

olavk 8y ago
Antisemitism absolutely was incompatible with official USSR ideology. So was any form of racism and nationalism. That doesn't mean it didn't exist of course, but it was never official policy as in Nazi Germany.
- kingofhdds 8y ago
  It's not true. Socialism can go well (and is going well) with many sorts of other *isms, simply by re-definition, or making compromises for "greater good". Soviet Union had some semi-hidden policies which broke its own pledges, but it also had a lot of official manifestations, which apparently weren't seen as uncomfortable. E.g. Soviet anthem mentioned "great Russia" in the first stanza. Official Kremlin guard was selected on a combination of ideological, and racial features. And, believe me, I can continue with this for a long time.
pps43 8y ago
Antisemitism in Soviet Union followed from the way they understood equality. For example, they look at the distribution of university students and notice that Jews are over-represented while, say, Uzbeks are under-represented. That's not fair, let's fix this inequality with admissions quota.
gaius 8y ago
I guess no one told the soviet union about their antisemitism being incompatible with their ideology. The British Labour Party is similarly engulfed in an anti-Semitism scandal at the moment, it’s all over the papers.