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Is this not what happens with the bundling of Mail, Calendar and Music in iOS and the fact that many default actions and integrations for these apps in iOS are

Is this not what happens with the bundling of Mail, Calendar and Music in iOS and the fact that many default actions and integrations for these apps in iOS are not available to alternatives?

kevinh 8y ago
My understanding is that Apple does not have a large enough market share in the EU to be considered for similar violations.
redbeard0x0a 8y ago
No, Google got in trouble for mandating other companies/products to include Google products (gmail, chrome, etc) in their products (Samsung Galaxy 9, LG whatever phone, etc). Apple doesn't mandate any other company to change something with their product (Apple installs mail, calendar, music on their own iPhone, iPad, etc). They aren't using their market position to coerce another company to do something in Apple's favor. (as far as Android vs. iOS and the associated hardware phones and tablets).
- kodablah 8y ago
  > No, Google got in trouble for mandating other companies/products to include Google products (gmail, chrome, etc) in their products (Samsung Galaxy 9, LG whatever phone, etc). If you only look for one thing they got in trouble for. Other things include prioritizing their shopping results on their search engine. There are cases and rulings that don't have anything to do with "coerce another company" wrt monopoly laws. You can be in trouble for only putting your own products on your own products too, no other company has to be involved...just have to be large enough (by volume).
- muro 8y ago
  Only Chrome, Play Store and Search app.
  - jeffbax 8y ago
    … and Google Play Services, which is the bigger angle and what took Android from being "open" to arguably impossible to support the bulk of "Android" software https://stratechery.com/2018/the-european-commission-versus-android/ https://stratechery.com/2018/the-european-commission-versus-... You don't get Google Play Services without a lot of terms and conditions, and without it you can't really be a useful Android product short of trying to replace the whole store like Amazon does to questionable degrees.
ocdtrekkie 8y ago
The primary concern is that Apple puts it's own software and features on it's own devices. That's fine, and what Google does on the Pixel line is also fine and not under scrutiny. The issue is that Google uses blatantly illegal terms to force bundling of various apps upon other manufacturers, and this is illegal in both the US and the EU and most other jurisdictions. This is a business-to-business issue, not a business-to-consumer issue. Hence why Apple putting it's own software on it's own hardware is not similar. (Also, Apple is not even approaching being a monopoly, Google already is one.)

Is this not what happens with the bundling of Mail, Calendar and Music in iOS and the fact that many default actions and integrations for these apps in iOS are not available to alternatives?

kevinh 8y ago

My understanding is that Apple does not have a large enough market share in the EU to be considered for similar violations.

redbeard0x0a 8y ago

No, Google got in trouble for mandating other companies/products to include Google products (gmail, chrome, etc) in their products (Samsung Galaxy 9, LG whatever phone, etc). Apple doesn't mandate any other company to change something with their product (Apple installs mail, calendar, music on their own iPhone, iPad, etc). They aren't using their market position to coerce another company to do something in Apple's favor. (as far as Android vs. iOS and the associated hardware phones and tablets).

kodablah 8y ago
> No, Google got in trouble for mandating other companies/products to include Google products (gmail, chrome, etc) in their products (Samsung Galaxy 9, LG whatever phone, etc). If you only look for one thing they got in trouble for. Other things include prioritizing their shopping results on their search engine. There are cases and rulings that don't have anything to do with "coerce another company" wrt monopoly laws. You can be in trouble for only putting your own products on your own products too, no other company has to be involved...just have to be large enough (by volume).
muro 8y ago
Only Chrome, Play Store and Search app.
- jeffbax 8y ago
  … and Google Play Services, which is the bigger angle and what took Android from being "open" to arguably impossible to support the bulk of "Android" software https://stratechery.com/2018/the-european-commission-versus-android/ https://stratechery.com/2018/the-european-commission-versus-... You don't get Google Play Services without a lot of terms and conditions, and without it you can't really be a useful Android product short of trying to replace the whole store like Amazon does to questionable degrees.

ocdtrekkie 8y ago

The primary concern is that Apple puts it's own software and features on it's own devices. That's fine, and what Google does on the Pixel line is also fine and not under scrutiny. The issue is that Google uses blatantly illegal terms to force bundling of various apps upon other manufacturers, and this is illegal in both the US and the EU and most other jurisdictions. This is a business-to-business issue, not a business-to-consumer issue. Hence why Apple putting it's own software on it's own hardware is not similar. (Also, Apple is not even approaching being a monopoly, Google already is one.)