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None. You run it on your machines and they will sync among themselves. No need for any cloud backend. Some people with Synology or QNAP run an instance on the

None. You run it on your machines and they will sync among themselves. No need for any cloud backend. Some people with Synology or QNAP run an instance on their NAS.

pjc50 8y ago
But I (and I suspect quite a few other people) want a cloud backend to cover both the disaster-recovery cases and syncing while outside my LAN.
- vetinari 8y ago
  1) you can sync with a device inside your LAN, even if you are outside, with global discovery (enabled by default). 2) you can run your own off-site instance, that can be hosted with your favourite cloud provider.
  - amyjess 8y ago
    > you can run your own off-site instance, that can be hosted with your favourite cloud provider. How much would it cost to hire an admin to set up and maintain that instance? The whole point of Dropbox is that I don't have to do any work.
    - Fnoord 8y ago
      Organizations already have such an admin, and workers can sync whilst they're at work. Not very difficult to set up, and saves tons of costs (although a NAS is a small initial investment to make it doesn't require much maintenance). Individuals don't, but most individuals have no clue about the repercussions of hosting their plaintext data on Dropbox in the USA. Its a ticking timebomb.
    - vetinari 8y ago
      There are many possibilities, as it is not a pre-packaged solution. For example, if you have Synology or QNAP, there are packages to sync with cloud providers, like Backblaze B2, Amazon S3, Azure Cloud Storage, etc. So if one of your syncthing sync instances (which you can make with few clicks) is such a device, with few more clicks you can choose your cloud platform and backup to that. Or you can be using something entirely different. That's the beauty, you can use whatever fits your needs and budget, you don't have to fit yourself to limitations of one or two pre-packaged solutions. You can do something entirely different, e.g. if someone from your family also has some NAS, you can backup to each others devices and not rely on third parties at all. The possibilities are limitless.
- dnel 8y ago
  I sync to my NAS where it gets backed up to b2 using duply, cloud backup is out of scope for Syncthing itself.
- Fnoord 8y ago
  They think they want, but they don't. For every human being on the planet needs their own privacy. Its a common theme in the EU, but it isn't only important within the EU. Therefore, there are two viable options: 1) You store your data locally (encrypted if you want to protect against burglars). 2) You store your data remotely, but encrypt it before you send it and decrypt it after you receive it (public key cryptography). There is no other, viable, long-term option. Dropbox's solution is a short term solution. Now, the question is whether you really need to sync to your LAN right away. You most likely don't. You can just sync in the evening and at night while your device(s) recharge. If you really need to sync ad hoc you have the option to punch holes in your firewall, or use a VPN. One opportunity for innovation here is to allow a user to define what must be synced right away over WAN and what shouldn't. Another opportunity is to make cloud backups easier. But these require the above requirement #2, and as you might know, public key cryptography just doesn't seem to be user-friendly.

None. You run it on your machines and they will sync among themselves. No need for any cloud backend. Some people with Synology or QNAP run an instance on their NAS.

pjc50 8y ago

But I (and I suspect quite a few other people) want a cloud backend to cover both the disaster-recovery cases and syncing while outside my LAN.

vetinari 8y ago
1) you can sync with a device inside your LAN, even if you are outside, with global discovery (enabled by default). 2) you can run your own off-site instance, that can be hosted with your favourite cloud provider.
- amyjess 8y ago
  > you can run your own off-site instance, that can be hosted with your favourite cloud provider. How much would it cost to hire an admin to set up and maintain that instance? The whole point of Dropbox is that I don't have to do any work.
  - Fnoord 8y ago
    Organizations already have such an admin, and workers can sync whilst they're at work. Not very difficult to set up, and saves tons of costs (although a NAS is a small initial investment to make it doesn't require much maintenance). Individuals don't, but most individuals have no clue about the repercussions of hosting their plaintext data on Dropbox in the USA. Its a ticking timebomb.
  - vetinari 8y ago
    There are many possibilities, as it is not a pre-packaged solution. For example, if you have Synology or QNAP, there are packages to sync with cloud providers, like Backblaze B2, Amazon S3, Azure Cloud Storage, etc. So if one of your syncthing sync instances (which you can make with few clicks) is such a device, with few more clicks you can choose your cloud platform and backup to that. Or you can be using something entirely different. That's the beauty, you can use whatever fits your needs and budget, you don't have to fit yourself to limitations of one or two pre-packaged solutions. You can do something entirely different, e.g. if someone from your family also has some NAS, you can backup to each others devices and not rely on third parties at all. The possibilities are limitless.
dnel 8y ago
I sync to my NAS where it gets backed up to b2 using duply, cloud backup is out of scope for Syncthing itself.
Fnoord 8y ago
They think they want, but they don't. For every human being on the planet needs their own privacy. Its a common theme in the EU, but it isn't only important within the EU. Therefore, there are two viable options: 1) You store your data locally (encrypted if you want to protect against burglars). 2) You store your data remotely, but encrypt it before you send it and decrypt it after you receive it (public key cryptography). There is no other, viable, long-term option. Dropbox's solution is a short term solution. Now, the question is whether you really need to sync to your LAN right away. You most likely don't. You can just sync in the evening and at night while your device(s) recharge. If you really need to sync ad hoc you have the option to punch holes in your firewall, or use a VPN. One opportunity for innovation here is to allow a user to define what must be synced right away over WAN and what shouldn't. Another opportunity is to make cloud backups easier. But these require the above requirement #2, and as you might know, public key cryptography just doesn't seem to be user-friendly.