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The less authoritarian states, such as Allende's Chile, did not end up surviving for long. Can't help but wonder if there is a survivorship bias, wherein only t
by selestify 8y ago
The less authoritarian states, such as Allende's Chile, did not end up surviving for long. Can't help but wonder if there is a survivorship bias, wherein only the most vicious and brutal communist states could survive external interference.
- aalleavitch 8y agoAs evidenced by the fact that the most successful modern socialist states are in Europe, I believe this is the case. Those who could make their social welfare programs coexist with aggressive Western attitudes have thrived.
- ptr 8y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states As far as I can see, there are two countries in Europe on that list: Portugal and Greece.
- aalleavitch 8y agoIf you use a definition of socialism that excludes the notion of a mixed system, yes. I would say that precisely that is the form of authoritarian socialism that doesn’t work.
- vesak 8y agoWhich states in Europe do you think are socialist?
- baud147258 8y agoI think if you use a broad enough definition of socialist, you'd have most of Europe. In France the socialist party was in power until last year, for example.
- cryptonector 8y agoBy such a definition then the U.S. is socialist too, just a bit less. Good news socialists!
- vesak 8y ago>The less authoritarian states, such as Allende's Chile, did not end up surviving for long. Wasn't Allende's Chile pretty much brought down by external forces, i.e. CIA? Calling it survivorship bias is a bit premature if the said countries are antagonised by the most powerful nation on the planet :)
- cryptonector 8y agoNo. The U.S. was definitely for Pinochet's coup, but on the ground it was all Pinochet. (If anything, Pinochet was less bloody than others because of U.S. pressure.)