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Sundar Pichai and Satya Nadella are US citizens who live in the US. They are not foreign nationals. MSFT sells ICE a lot of software and regularly sells softwa

Sundar Pichai and Satya Nadella are US citizens who live in the US. They are not foreign nationals. MSFT sells ICE a lot of software and regularly sells software/services to the DoD as well as other parts of the USG. Google was opposed to working on military tech for years before Sundar Pichai became CEO. > I realize this won't be a popular view here Blatant factual inaccuracies and ignorance of extremely obvious alternative explanations should be unpopular. Both are avoidable and both derail potentially productive conversations.

danjoc 8y ago
>Sundar Pichai and Satya Nadella are US citizens who live in the US. They are not foreign nationals. Correction, foreign born. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundar_Pichai https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundar_Pichai https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satya_Nadella https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satya_Nadella >Blatant factual inaccuracies You're assuming bad faith. >Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- throwawayjava 8y ago
  There is a huge difference between a foreign national and a naturalized citizen. Proceeding in a conversation on this topic without using these terms correctly will only lead to confusion. > You're assuming bad faith. On the contrary, I misinterpreted your meaning precisely because I was being charitable. Your original post could've been interpreted in two ways: 1. Charitably: you simply didn't know that these people were citizens of the USA, and are reasonably suspicious of someone who built their career and fortune here but who doesn't want to obtain citizenship. 2. Uncharitably: you distrust people because of where they were born. I chose the charitable interpretation.
  - danjoc 8y ago
    I choose to judge people by their actions. Their actions are not up for debate. They are working against the US military and law enforcement community through their actions, while the American born Bezos is impartial in assisting US government. That's a huge difference and will be attributed to their national origin by many American born citizens. Those two CEOs are not be eligible to run our country as president under the constitution, but they are running two of our most powerful institutions as president and using those institutions to weaken US military readiness. At some point soon, this becomes a national security matter.
    - throwawayjava 8y ago
      > I choose to judge people by their actions. I would not work on autonomous weapons or mass surveillance technology, and if I were the CEO of a company, I would abstain from deploying that company's resources in this fashion. In your mind, does this statement provide sufficient evidence to prove that I obviously intend to work in the interests of whichever country my ancestors immigrated from?
      - danjoc 8y ago
        You not working on them is entirely different than Google not working on them AND the looming threat of a Google patent lawsuit preventing anyone else in the country from working on them too.
        throwawayjava 8y ago
        I stated: "...and if I were the CEO of a company, I would abstain from deploying that company's resources in this fashion." Including Google. If I were the CEO of Googe, I would do this. Don't avoid the question. In your mind, does this statement provide sufficient evidence to prove that I obviously intend to work in the interests of whichever country my ancestors immigrated from?

danjoc 8y ago

>Sundar Pichai and Satya Nadella are US citizens who live in the US. They are not foreign nationals. Correction, foreign born. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundar_Pichai https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundar_Pichai https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satya_Nadella https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satya_Nadella >Blatant factual inaccuracies You're assuming bad faith. >Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

throwawayjava 8y ago
There is a huge difference between a foreign national and a naturalized citizen. Proceeding in a conversation on this topic without using these terms correctly will only lead to confusion. > You're assuming bad faith. On the contrary, I misinterpreted your meaning precisely because I was being charitable. Your original post could've been interpreted in two ways: 1. Charitably: you simply didn't know that these people were citizens of the USA, and are reasonably suspicious of someone who built their career and fortune here but who doesn't want to obtain citizenship. 2. Uncharitably: you distrust people because of where they were born. I chose the charitable interpretation.
- danjoc 8y ago
  I choose to judge people by their actions. Their actions are not up for debate. They are working against the US military and law enforcement community through their actions, while the American born Bezos is impartial in assisting US government. That's a huge difference and will be attributed to their national origin by many American born citizens. Those two CEOs are not be eligible to run our country as president under the constitution, but they are running two of our most powerful institutions as president and using those institutions to weaken US military readiness. At some point soon, this becomes a national security matter.
  - throwawayjava 8y ago
    > I choose to judge people by their actions. I would not work on autonomous weapons or mass surveillance technology, and if I were the CEO of a company, I would abstain from deploying that company's resources in this fashion. In your mind, does this statement provide sufficient evidence to prove that I obviously intend to work in the interests of whichever country my ancestors immigrated from?
    - danjoc 8y ago
      You not working on them is entirely different than Google not working on them AND the looming threat of a Google patent lawsuit preventing anyone else in the country from working on them too.
      - throwawayjava 8y ago
        I stated: "...and if I were the CEO of a company, I would abstain from deploying that company's resources in this fashion." Including Google. If I were the CEO of Googe, I would do this. Don't avoid the question. In your mind, does this statement provide sufficient evidence to prove that I obviously intend to work in the interests of whichever country my ancestors immigrated from?